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Old 07-12-2006, 04:08 PM in reply to John's post starting "Add to list: 1. McGrath getting..."
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Another reason.

Vaughnan.He has a great record against us.

England have little hope of winning in Perth.The curator says it will regain its pace & bounce for the game & the Australian batsmen will handle that far better than the Poms.
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Old 07-12-2006, 04:18 PM in reply to KennyG's post starting "Another reason. Vaughnan.He has a..."
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Given the current make-up of the respective bowling attacks, a fast bouncy pitch would suit England far more than Australia.
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Old 07-12-2006, 05:00 PM in reply to Glamorgan Wanderer's post starting "Given the current make-up of the..."
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I think our pace attacks are fairly even but Australian batsmen are brought up on quick wickets.
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Old 07-12-2006, 10:39 PM in reply to KennyG's post starting "I think our pace attacks are fairly..."
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If the WACA is the original fast bouncy pitch that it use to be then it will play right into Australia's hands. Yes England's strength is it's pace bowling but the Australian batting line up likes bouncy tracks and its Gilchrist, Martyn and Langer home track and have had success at the WACA. Plus Ponting would exploit anything short. Im not sure how the poms would bat there.
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Old 07-12-2006, 10:47 PM in reply to KennyG's post starting "Anything is possible but history says..."
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Anything is possible but history says the series is over.
No touring team has ever drawn or won a series on Australian soil after being 2-0 down.
Well records are there to be broken, It's tough but re-writing history always is.
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Old 07-12-2006, 10:59 PM in reply to Quagmire's post starting "If the WACA is the original fast bouncy..."
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Im not sure how the poms would bat there.
Pace and bounce would suit Strauss and Jones: they are essentially Australian-style batsmen who love the 'chin music'. Bell should be untroubled: I'd expect him to basically just ignore all the short stuff and make it clear to the bowlers that if they want his wicket they had better bowl balls he has to play... forcing them to pitch it up in areas he likes.

Of the rest... Cook's the most likely to prefer a fast, bouncy track. Pietersen's perhaps the most capable of thriving despite NOT liking the fast bouncy track. Collingwood's possibly got the guts to triumph even though he's always going to prefer the Adelaide-style pitches. With Flintoff it will come down to self control: if he accepts he's out of his depth and bats accordingly he might cope... but that's a big 'if'.

One other thing: if it's fast and bouncy and Joyce plays... he's likely to love it: should suit his game nicely
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Old 07-12-2006, 11:26 PM in reply to Rachael's post starting "Pace and bounce would suit Strauss and..."
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Pace and bounce would suit Strauss and Jones: they are essentially Australian-style batsmen who love the 'chin music'.
I tend to agree - my worry is Strauss state of mind - he looks really out of sorts, I don't know enough about Cook.
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Bell should be untroubled: I'd expect him to basically just ignore all the short stuff and make it clear to the bowlers that if they want his wicket they had better bowl balls he has to play... . With Flintoff it will come down to self control: if he accepts he's out of his depth and bats accordingly he might cope... but that's a big 'if'.
IMO you have totaly got this wrong, last years Ashes will tell us that Bell will struggle, and Flintoff won't - Flintoff I would say plays pace better than any other player in the England side, the reason is - he see's the ball earlier than most, that also why he can defend as good as any England player, when he puts his mind in that mode - it's spin that trips Flintoff up.

To prove my point - look at his Ashes record in 2005, look at his batting averages against the West Indies with Best and Edwards et al.He topped the averages I believe.

Jones if he is going to bat well should also be at Perth, he has looked poor on the dead pitches ths far, even Giles plays pace well.
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Old 07-12-2006, 11:54 PM in reply to Ernest's post starting "I tend to agree - my worry is Strauss..."
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I'm slightly worried about strauss taking on the short ball...Cook and Jones are good cutters and pullers, however strauss is hooking upwards these days...KP is a good player of pace...Colly will struggle, but if any player is equipped to gut it out, it's him. Bell has been out hooking brett lee at least three times in his career...

Short stuff is fine, but if its pitched up, Cook will have a nibble, and Jones and Flintoff will ping it nicely off the middle of their off stump...

It would be nice to see Joyce play, he is an effortless strokemaker when on-form....
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Joyce is in form in English domestic cricket which does not even come close to the quality of cricket which the Australians are playing.
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Old 08-12-2006, 01:18 AM in reply to Django's post starting "Joyce is in form in English domestic..."
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With Flintoff now out, no chance Ernest, no chance. They also said (SEN radio) that the pre tour plan was to keep his bowling in cotton wool until the 3rd or 4th test.
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