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06-12-2006, 11:01 PM
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| Fletcher as Test coach and ODI coach After the ICC-CT Ernest got a lot of people echoing his view that Fletcher was less than great as a ODI coach (see here). I noted that since 2005 the ODI record has included as many encouraging performances as the Test record over the same period. Quote:
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West indies (away) Won in Tests ----ODI's Not sure. West Indies (home) Won in Tests --- ODI's Lost South Africa (away) Won in Tests ---ODI's Lost Bangladesh (home) Won in Tests ----ODI'sWon - I think. Australia (home) Won in Test --------Lost In 2004/5 England had a record as good as the best in test cricket - a one defeat In South Africa - with Hoggy and Flintoff carrying the attack. And one defeat at Lords in England Ashes winning series - while England got thrashed by the West Indies - South Africa and beaten by Australia. 2005 - Pakistan England got beat in the Tests in 2005, and well beaten in the ODI's. 2006 - India England got a credible draw - beat in the ODI's 2006 - did OK in Tests against Pakistan - well beaten in ODIs. 2006 - Sri Lanka drew the Test series - got thrashed in the ODI's. England also should have won the Test at Multan, and dropped 9 catches at Lords against Sri Lanka. I prove my point - Fletcher has had a LOT more success at Test cricket that in one day cricket. England are ranked #2 in Test cricket. Endland are ranked just above Zimbawe and Bangladesh in ODI cricket - "Game Set and Match" - Fletcher is hopeless as a one day coach. Quote:
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| If we concentrate on the Tests between the Ashes series and the nonsense series against Pakistan... the results for the Test side read as follows: Code: P W L T D W/L HS LS MC LC BatAv BowAv R/6b C/6b unfiltered 852 298 245 0 309 1.22 903 45 751 26 31.8 30.1 2.65 2.71 filtered 9 2 4 0 3 0.50 551 175 636 100 32.5 33.1 3.13 3.08 I Bat R/W Ov Tar R Match 1 Pak 274 98.2 - W 1st Test v Pak in Pak 2005/06 at Multan [1770] 2 Eng 418 110.4 - L 3 Pak 341 105.5 - W 4 Eng 175 52.4 198 L 1 Pak 462 115.4 - D 2nd Test v Pak in Pak 2005/06 at Faisalabad [1772] 2 Eng 446 132.3 - D 3 Pak 268/9d 93.1 - D 4 Eng 164/6 48 285 D 1 Eng 288 94 - L 3rd Test v Pak in Pak 2005/06 at Lahore [1774] 2 Pak 636/8d 156.2 - W 3 Eng 248 77.1 - L 1 Eng 393 127.5 - D 1st Test v Ind in Ind 2005/06 at Nagpur [1785] 2 Ind 323 136.5 - D 3 Eng 297/3d 87 - D 4 Ind 260/6 78.2 368 D 1 Eng 300 103.4 - L 2nd Test v Ind in Ind 2005/06 at Chandigarh [1788] 2 Ind 338 96.2 - W 3 Eng 181 76.1 - L 4 Ind 144/1 33 144 W 1 Eng 400 133.4 - W 3rd Test v Ind in Ind 2005/06 at Mumbai [1791] 2 Ind 279 104.1 - L 3 Eng 191 92.4 - W 4 Ind 100 48.2 313 L 1 Eng 551/6d 143 - D 1st Test v SL in Eng 2006 at Lord's [1802] 2 SL 192 55.3 - D 3 SL 537/9 199 - D 1 SL 141 51.2 - L 2nd Test v SL in Eng 2006 at Birmingham [1803] 2 Eng 295 78.3 - W 3 SL 231 93.2 - L 4 Eng 81/4 27.2 78 W 1 SL 231 66.2 - W 3rd Test v SL in Eng 2006 at Nottingham [1804] 2 Eng 229 91.1 - L 3 SL 322 113.1 - W 4 Eng 190 68.5 325 L |
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07-12-2006, 12:11 AM
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| In terms of Test series won and lost - England have beat. West Indies - England won twice Home/away South Africa - England won once Away Bangladesh - England won once Home New Zealand - England won once Home AUSTRALIA - England won once Home Sri Lanla - Draw. Home Pakistan - lost Away India - Draw Away Pakistan - England won once. Home One day Internationals. Bangladesh - England won once. Home. Lost all the others- except maybe one. England won some of their Test series by huge margins - not least England 3- New Zealand 0. England on the other hand have been thrashed at one day cricket - England did beat Bangladesh.
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| Its the most commonly known fact that England cannot play at ODIS if their life depended upon it....this is no great case to be proved lol. the whole world knows this... I beg to disagree Rachael the series against Pakistan was not rubbish.
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| You conveniently overlook the fact that the Ashes wins of 2005 came on the back of some superb ODI performances. That summer started with the NatWest Series and the Natwest Challenge and England's season started W-W-W-L-W-n/r-tie-W-L-L. England didn't just "beat" Bangladesh... they stuffed them... posting 391/4 and then knocking off 192 without loss in under 25 overs! The other opposition, in case you've forgotten, were the Aussies... and the two sides were pretty much even: the first blood went to England and in successive matches England restricted the all-conquering Aussies to 252 (Eng. won), 266 (Eng. lost), 261 (no result, England on top), 196 (tie) and 219 (Eng. won). The boost from a string of good performances (arguably better than the Test performances) certainly set the tone for the summer. After the Ashes England's next ODI was against Pakistan in Lahore, where they posted 327/4 and won in convincing fashion. Pakistan dominated the next two, the fourth could have gone either way and England won the fifth - and England emerged with greater credit than they did in the Test series. Perhaps you've forgotten that Test series: 2-0 Pakistan! It's true that you have to pick the encouraging performances from the setbacks games against INdia and Sri Lanka... but the same was true of the test side. and England did win after bowling Inida out for 223 in Jamshedpur and then narrowly fail to defend an impressive 288 in Indore before playing quite well against a Sri Lankan side that was simply too good... as they were in the Tests! More recently... should we not also recall the ODI series against Pakistan that ended last summer? A full strength side (with Shoaib Akhtar, Mohammed Asif and Rana Naved all back after missing the Test series) won one convincingly and scraped home in one before England replied with their own dominant win and narrow victory: all respectable enough. Now... I don't suppose anyone is going to argue that the above is a GREAT record... or that Fletcher is a GREAT ODI coach... but the Test record in the same period was pretty dire as well. The Ashes (played with the Aussie's Hussey and co on the sidelines) were only won after England were stuffed by McGrath at Lords... after they were then bizarrely put in (and lucky) at Edgbaston... and after almost blowing it at Trent bridge. The performances in the Test series in Pakistan were pretty dire. India wasn't exactly a success. England then somehow managed to lose at home to Sri Lanka and after enjoying themselves against a bowler-less Pakistan they are now getting stuffed down under. Put it this way: I'm about as confident of a decent England showing at the World Cup as I am of England emerging with great credit from this Ashes series! Last edited by Rachael : 07-12-2006 at 06:57 AM. |
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11-12-2006, 02:04 PM
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| Why do England claim that they pay as much attention to ODIs as they Do Tests because i think that really isn't true. I think the selection has been a bit airy-fairy. People like Yardy are part of Fletcher's odea of having a team with a lot of all rounders. Then again Darymple has been a cood find. Perhaps England need some more specialists ODI players |
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15-12-2006, 03:23 AM
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| agreed, the ODI team is deffo second fiddle to the test side.
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10-02-2007, 07:35 PM
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| Fletcher's done alot for England's test team, but there seems to be an end to the progression we've made. It's too easy to look too far back in the past and see what he has done, instead of the recent past. Personally I think he's taken us as far as he can and would like to see a new coach after the world cup. |
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| When Fletcher first joined England we wernt a great cricket team we were no way near were we are now , we was not a very good side but then when Fletcher joined he's took us to second in the world , final of the icc championship and won us back the ashes. I dont blame Fletcher for our poor ODI form its the players not doing what is needed , there not playing at the standard they could , of course Fletcher will have something to do with it but its the players that need to do the job on the pitch. |
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