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Old 10-12-2006, 09:33 AM
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A timely reminder from Chris Read....

Code:
 England XI 1st innings			R	M	B	4s	6s	SR
AJ Strauss	b Heal			88	171	110	12	0	80.00
AN Cook		retired out		106	215	171	14	0	61.98
GO Jones	c North b Heal		0	1	1	0	0	0.00
EC Joyce	c Marsh b Macdonald	73	109	97	9	0	75.25
CMW Read	not out			59	129	107	5	2	55.14
AF Giles	c Rogers b Edmondson	4	22	15	0	0	26.66
SI Mahmood	not out			20	33	30	3	1	66.66
	Extras	(b 2, lb 1, nb 3)	6					
								
	    Total	(5 wickets; 88 overs)	356

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Old 10-12-2006, 10:32 AM in reply to Rachael's post "A timely reminder from Chris Read...."
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Read should have started in the side. Jones has shown nothing with the bat since he was dropped fair enough if he had scored heavily at the backend of the season or in the tour games but he hasnt, I cannot see Fletcher bringing him back in though for the last 3 tests Freddie wont allow his mate to be dropped
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Old 10-12-2006, 10:44 AM in reply to sambino239's post "Read"
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Sambino, I could have written that post myself I agree with everything you've just said.
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Old 10-12-2006, 10:45 AM in reply to sambino239's post "Read"
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It's worth noting that Read actually has a notable history of keeping his head as senior colleagues lost theirs... and of doing exactly what was needed in the second innings at Galle. Neither of the following two innings did much for Read's average.. but both were exactly what was required at the time... and in their own way were worth far more than 70-80 runs in another context.

The first comes from the second Test in Sri Lanka... batting fourth and desperately trying to save the Test and keep the series alive for the series decider:
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England 2nd innings (target: 368 runs)                          R   M   B  4 6
ME Trescothick        c Jayawardene      b Vaas                14  45  31  2 0
*MP Vaughan           c Dilshan          b Muralitharan       105 448 333 11 0
MA Butcher            st Sangakkara      b Muralitharan         6  45  41  1 0
N Hussain             c Sangakkara       b Vaas                17  54  42  3 0
GP Thorpe             c Sangakkara       b Muralitharan        41 144 132  5 0
PD Collingwood        c Jayawardene      b Dharmasena          24  92  64  3 0
A Flintoff            lbw                b Muralitharan        19  41  36  2 0
+CMW Read             not out                                  18 108  91  2 0
GJ Batty              not out                                  25  87  74  4 0
Extras                (b 5, lb 6, nb 5)                        16
Total                 (7 wickets, 140 overs, 536 mins)        285

DNB: AF Giles, RJ Kirtley.
The second comes from the third, deciding Test.. with everything to play for and no good reason why England shouldn't bat for 747 minutes and build a total of 628 (which is what the Sri Lankans ended up doing after this appalling England collapse):
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England 1st innings                                             R   M   B  4 6
ME Trescothick        c Jayawardene      b Muralitharan        70 119  98 13 0
*MP Vaughan           c Jayawardene      b Chandana            18  77  51  2 0
MA Butcher            c Sangakkara       b Fernando            23  49  50  3 0
N Hussain             lbw                b Vaas                 8  49  35  1 0
GP Thorpe             lbw                b Muralitharan        13  47  39  1 0
A Flintoff                           c & b Muralitharan        77 136 109 10 4
GJ Batty              c Atapattu         b Chandana            14  98 101  1 0
+CMW Read             not out                                  17 107  64  0 1
AF Giles              run out (Dilshan/Sangakkara)             10  43  39  1 0
RJ Kirtley            lbw                b Vaas                 1  10   9  0 0
JM Anderson           lbw                b Vaas                 1  18  12  0 0
Extras                (b 4, lb 8, nb 1)                        13
Total                 (all out, 101 overs, 380 mins)          265
Unbeaten in each innings... and to my mind doing more for England with the bat than one GO Jones has EVER done!
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Old 10-12-2006, 11:30 AM in reply to Rachael's post starting "It's worth noting that Read actually..."
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Pressure on Read

Rod Marsh has written Read is always under pressure as Fletcher puts the unnessessary pressure on him to perform. He says its bang out of order to slag him off to make his case for Jones to be included.
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Old 10-12-2006, 11:52 AM in reply to sambino239's post "Pressure on Read"
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The Read batting situation is very reminiscent of the Ramprakash batting situation of a decade or so ago: the bar was set a lot higher with Ramps... who was given the impression he had to value his wicket as highly as Boycott whilst simultaneously dominating in the manner of Gower... but in both cases the handling by the management meant each innings has been approached knowing that there's almost nothing one could do to silence the critics inside one's own dressingroom!

For a guy who has allowed his favourites to shine by ensuring there's no pressure on them to play for their place... Fletcher's been singularly short with the young 'keeper!
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Old 10-12-2006, 03:48 PM in reply to Rachael's post starting "The Read batting situation is very..."
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For a guy who has allowed his favourites to shine by ensuring there's no pressure on them to play for their place... Fletcher's been singularly short with the young 'keeper!
Without contriving to do so, you have made it plain he as to who wears the pants "Flintoff or Fletcher".

However had Ramp's played under this system where he was not playing for his place every game, then we might have seen different stats for Ramp's Test career.

Fowler was the same, every match it seemed, could have been his last match - no wonder the England side was always under pressure.

Hick is thee best example ever - that guy had class, but was always playing for his place.

Rob key the so called "Flat Track Bully" - nowhere in sight, despite the flat tracking in Australia thus far, Fletchers handling of key must be on a par with his handling of Read.

This post is not as off topic ass it may seem, it shows how man managment matters.
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Old 10-12-2006, 03:50 PM in reply to Ernest's post starting "Without contriving to do so, you have..."
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I don't think it matters one bit what Read does on this tour,Fletcher is too proud to admit his mistake and won't drop Jones.
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Old 10-12-2006, 06:31 PM in reply to greg's post starting "I don't think it matters one bit what..."
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Jones for Read isn't one of biggest mistakes a coach would make. I don't think it should keep him awake at nights.

1. When Read had his chance recently nobody could claim he took it with both hands.

2. What other Test sides would be playing Read? None in the top three.


By the way I would of played Read but its not a major point when reviewing recent performances.
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Old 10-12-2006, 06:43 PM in reply to John's post starting "Jones for Read isn't one of biggest..."
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What other Test sides would be playing Read? None in the top three.
I don't disagree with your other points John, but Pakistan (who are number 3) would probably love to play Read - or so I would hope
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