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Old 11-12-2006, 08:18 PM in reply to SixandOut's post starting "Tresco assured everyone he would be..."
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Sometimes a fine line between excuses and reasons I suppose.
What I think are genuine reasons for England fans to cite:
1.Simon Jones being injured.
2.Trescothick illness.
But when these reasons become null and void is when England fans say McGrath injury and Gillespie's bowling didn't make a difference in 2005.

The point for me is cricket is more to cricket than England/ Australia. Sides are not judged of a particular series they are judge over period of time. The great Australian side were judged over several series against several sides.
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Old 11-12-2006, 08:32 PM in reply to Quagmire's post starting "Ern, last year a lot of Australian's..."
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Simon Jones getting injured is the McGrath. Bad selection choices.
By and large I agree with most of your Ern-baiting. Sorry Ern.

However, if your best seam bowler is McGrath, and I think we can safely that he is.

At least you had him for the 2005 tour, at least he bowled a bit (and with some success) in England.

Simon Jones started that season as a bowler that the fantastic (?) Michael (my best mate is Ashley Giles so he's always going to play, and even if I never play again, cos I'm a crap fielder with terrible knees, I'm gonna be whispering in the coaches ear for eternity cos I won the Ashes in 2005) Vaughan didn't trust to bowl.

And by the fourth Test when he limped off injured he WAS the bowler we couldn't do without. And he hasn't bowled since.

Your chap, the tall lanky one, bowled throughout that series, except the one Test, with the total trust of his captain, coach and backroom staff, and he's here again. Granted, not quite up to standard, but he's there.

And our bowler (who we can't do without) isn't.

And that IS an excuse.

He probably wouldn't get a game if he was fit. Fletcher, Flintoff and Graveney would find some ridiculous reason ("He plays for the wrong County..." "can't have a Welshman taking wickets in Australia" "he speaks the wrong language at home" "he's a methodist") for leaving him out.
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Old 12-12-2006, 05:56 AM in reply to Oliver's post starting "By and large I agree with most of your..."
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Simon Jones is not in the same class as missing a player like McGrath. Plus it would have been worse for England if Jones had have become injured during the series. England have had a full year to find a replacement for Jones, I could not have seen Jones doing much more than Anderson has done so far in the first two tests. Harmison was a silly choice and I was saying that during the ICC Trophy when he bowled pies and nothing has changed since, but every English supporter has said that he’s just not a one day bowler which I never understood because it is the same principles as bowling in a test match. Harmison needs hit the right areas and get wickets other wise his career is going to be over. Harmison has had a worse ashes than Gillespie with series bowling figures of 1-288.
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Old 12-12-2006, 10:50 AM in reply to SixandOut's post starting "Tresco assured everyone he would be..."
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Tresco assured everyone he would be fine. Risky, yes, but you have to give some people a certain amount of credit. I believe Tresco was worth the risk.

I don't think you can compare the two sides this year compared with last year.
No and No with respect, we don't know that the doctors or so called experts know, he was not worth the risk as it turned out, but being there was a risk, there should have been adequate cover for when he went home.

No this is not the same team as last year, be a long while before we get a collection like that again IMO.
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Old 12-12-2006, 11:13 AM in reply to Quagmire's post "Ashes excuses."
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Here's the excuses/reasons Quagmire.

1) The bowlers are not good enough to bowl Australia out twice on Australian pitches. They never have been and never will be.

2 The batsmen are not good enough to put together two good innings against an Australian attack. They never have been and never will be. Even if you look at the last Ashes series, England struggled to bat well in both innings.

QED: England are not going to win the series.
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Old 12-12-2006, 01:17 PM in reply to Milo's post starting "Here's the excuses/reasons Quagmire. ..."
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All hail Sir Milo.

When will people finally understand that we got lucky last summer................yes, we played well but it took the Aussies to (collectively) forget how to bat in those conditions that gifted us the Ashes.

I'm not sure we'll ever get a chance like that in the next 10 years.
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Old 12-12-2006, 02:08 PM in reply to Ernest's post starting "No and No with respect, we don't know..."
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No and No with respect, we don't know that the doctors or so called experts know, he was not worth the risk as it turned out, but being there was a risk, there should have been adequate cover for when he went home.
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Old 12-12-2006, 02:10 PM in reply to Nazza's post starting "All hail Sir Milo. When will people..."
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I'm not sure we'll ever get a chance like that in the next 10 years.
It depends what the odds are at the local Ladbrokes when our number eight goes out to bat again and we're still trailing by over one hundred and fifty.

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Old 12-12-2006, 06:15 PM in reply to Oliver's post starting "It depends what the odds are at the..."
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Why does England need an excuse??

They tried and couldnt retain the ashes... its a game someone has to win.

They won last year they lost this year so what?
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Old 13-12-2006, 05:52 AM in reply to Mr Hutt's post starting "Why does England need an excuse?? They..."
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Its not the English side making excuses it will be the English supporters making excuses. It is not over yet, but it will be after the third test.
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