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Old 14-12-2006, 09:15 AM in reply to Rachael's post starting "This is pure romanticism: Panesar has..."
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I'm guessing that this was the opinion of Jonathan Agnew, Rachael?

And for the record, I think you've pretty much got most of it wrong.

The ball to Langer was actually a bloody good ball. Yes, Giles can bowl the arm ball well, but he hasn't done it well this series and as I mentioned earlier a lot of that dismissal was due to the reduced confidence Langer would have had facing the 'unknown' Panesar compared to the 'well known' Giles.

The ball to Lee was similar, but very importantly, he again nailed the line but this time to the right hander instead of the left hander. The line was perfect and the length was perfect. What's wrong with that?

Symonds ball, and the Warne ball. If you'd listened to Tony Greig rather than Aggers, you may have heard the suggestion that the wide, short ball is a tactic that an attacking SLA bowler should be prepared to use against an attacking batsman. Lo and behold, the only times he deployed the wide, shorter ball was agains the attacking Warne and Symonds - and he got a wicket both times. Once again, bowling perfectly to the players he was attacking.

The Gilchrist ball. Yes, if you have little idea about how an SLA operates, then this would look the best dismissal. Frankly, it was his stock delivery and something that a player of Gilchrist's ability should not have been out to. To the better informed, it may well be consider the worst ball that he took a wicket with as he wasn't attempting anything other than preventing scoring.

You may have noticed that Panesar went for 20 runs in one Symonds over. Without that, his economy rate wouldn't have looked so poor. Compared to Giles in this series, his economy rate is pretty comparable. However, due to the extra wickets that Panesar has taken, his performance has been exponentially better than Giles'.

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Old 14-12-2006, 09:17 AM in reply to Andy Mellon's post starting "I'm guessing that this was the opinion..."
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England off to an absolute flyer 34-0 in the 5th.Lee has bowled up to form as usual.
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England off to an absolute flyer 34-0 in the 5th.Lee has bowled up to form as usual.
yes indeed. As Geoff Boycott would say Lee is a " buffet bowler, help yourself " LOL

If England bat well, The flaws in the Aussie attack will start to show. How many overs can McGrath bowl. Lee is rubbish. That is why it is imperative that England at least try to attack Warne. I do not know what Symonds will do. Lets see.
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I'll have some more of this please!!!

Brittle A-Y? They both have pretty good test averages so please qualify that. Cook has struggled here but is by no means brittle, I'll wait and see the ball that got him out later.
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Cook gone to McGrath -
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England off to an absolute flyer 34-0 in the 5th.Lee has bowled up to form as usual.
yes indeed. As Geoff Boycott would say Lee is a " buffet bowler, help yourself " LOL

If England bat well, The flaws in the Aussie attack will start to show. How many overs can McGrath bowl. Lee is rubbish. That is why it is imperative that England at least try to attack Warne. I do not know what Symonds will do. Lets see.
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Old 14-12-2006, 09:31 AM in reply to Collyisamackem's post starting "B Lee (rf) 3.0 0 22 0 ..."
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Brittle A-Y? They both have pretty good test averages so please qualify that. Cook has struggled here but is by no means brittle, I'll wait and see the ball that got him out later.
It was a wide half volley CM. Should have gone to the boundary, but typically England have now handed back the initiative.
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Brittle A-Y? They both have pretty good test averages so please qualify that. Cook has struggled here but is by no means brittle, I'll wait and see the ball that got him out later.
Yep,

First Test Opening partnership 28 & 29
Second Test Opening Partnership 32 & 31
Third Test Opening partnership 32

Cook avg this series = 90 runs from 4 innings
Strauss avg this series = 71 runs from 4 Innings

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