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View Poll Results: would muruli be "called" if he was an english bowler?
yep 13 43.33%
nope 2 6.67%
maybe if england started winning with him 3 10.00%
called for what!?!?! his action is fine! 12 40.00%
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Old 19-12-2006, 10:19 PM in reply to Quagmire's post starting "Its more the fact that they changed the..."
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Well, personally I think that change would have happened anyway - I think it was an inevitable result of the existence of the biomechanical testing
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Old 19-12-2006, 11:03 PM in reply to Alison's post starting "Well, personally I think that change..."
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Not really because he was the only bowler with an illegal action at the time. It should have never been allowed to be 15 degrees. What’s next another controversial but gun bowler with a 20 degree action will come in then they will change the rules again?

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Well, personally I think that change would have happened anyway - I think it was an inevitable result of the existence of the biomechanical testing
The biometric system is flawed Alison. When Muralitheran (or any bowler for that matter) is brought in for testing, do you honestly think the bowler will give his arm the full flex as they would in a test match situation? Of course not. They are aware they are being tested so they obviously make a special effort to keep their arms as straight as possible - they would be stupid not to would'nt they.
If Muralitheran bends his arm 14 degrees during biometric testing, one can only imagine how far he bends that arm of his when trying to win a test for his country.

We all know the real deal on the Muralitheran issue. It still surprises me that people still attempt to defend his action though.
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The biometric system is flawed Alison. When Muralitheran (or any bowler for that matter) is brought in for testing, do you honestly think the bowler will give his arm the full flex as they would in a test match situation? Of course not. They are aware they are being tested so they obviously make a special effort to keep their arms as straight as possible - they would be stupid not to would'nt they.
If Muralitheran bends his arm 14 degrees during biometric testing, one can only imagine how far he bends that arm of his when trying to win a test for his country.
Agreed, thats why a bowlers action is never 100% cleared.
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since we are discussing actions

Lasit Malinga.. my god he bowls like we used to in 5th grade!!!!

horrifying action is it legal?
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Technically yes, as his arm doesnt straighten and it is overarm (just).


With an action like that you can generate decent pace but its very difficult to have good control.
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Old 20-12-2006, 10:47 PM in reply to Quagmire's post starting "Its more the fact that they changed the..."
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Its more the fact that they changed the rules to suit him which is in my opinion is not right. You can not just change rules the suit one bowler.
But you said earlier it was because he filled grounds, that's a lot different than for personal reasons.

How do you define a chucker?, is 10 degrees acceptable?, no if we do not allow chucking, then it should be Zero.

Would be interesting to see how many top line bowlers would be changing their actions, or retireing.
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I thought (although i could be mistaken) that the limit was originally set at 10degrees because the ICC studied bowlers at the champions trophy in 2003 and most bowlers fell between 0 - 7.5 degrees with the usual suspects being "around 10" why it was changed to 15 i'm not sure.
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Well there has to be some degree but 15 degrees is a lot more that 10 degrees. The advantage of throwing with spin is not for pace and does not help accuracy but the amount of spin Muralitharan can get is remarkable and he could not bowl his doosra without throwing. Botha got pinned for his doosra because if was over 15 degrees, why didny they change the rules to suit him?
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Old 21-12-2006, 02:56 PM in reply to Quagmire's post starting "Well there has to be some degree but 15..."
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Now that Warne has retired it will be only a matter of time before Murali is the World record holder.

It will have the same taint that all those new baseball records have.

It will be a sad day for cricket.
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