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Old 05-06-2007, 06:18 AM in reply to Wanderer's post starting "I dont know RJ. I do love a conspiracy..."
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Yes Wanderer and apart from that, accusations from Mir didnt help either. It was Mir who claimed that there was a Fatwa on him and that there could have been one on Woolmer as well. It was Mir who claimed that Bob didnt like the praying habits of the team.

But there still remain a few questions:

1. What happened to the weed killer in the glass? Where did it come from and for what?
2. What about the strangulation marks on the throat? Shields sounded so convinced about that
3. The broken bone in the neck (may be he fell on something)

I hope Shields will answer these questions and will tell us why he was so bent on the murder theory.
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Old 05-06-2007, 06:52 AM in reply to DomainK's post starting "Yes Wanderer and apart from that,..."
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2007/04_april/30/woolmer.shtml

This is Mir’s interview with the BBC. Interestingly, he never outrightly say that Bob had stated he had issues with the religion…But he himself did.

Strangulation marks? Well, Shields did say initially there is a lack of external injuries.
Broken bone in the neck? Yes, he could have fallen down awkwardly. Remember, reports did say that they had to force the bathroom door open because of the way the body was positioned when they found him.
Poison? That’s the one theory I don’t have an explanation for. Hopefully whoever broke that news will come up with a reason.
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Old 05-06-2007, 09:14 AM in reply to Wanderer's post starting "http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressre..."
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Broken bone in the neck? Yes, he could have fallen down awkwardly. Remember, reports did say that they had to force the bathroom door open because of the way the body was positioned when they found him.
Poison? That’s the one theory I don’t have an explanation for. Hopefully whoever broke that news will come up with a reason.
The 'broken bone in the neck' was actually the Hyoid Bone and that would be virtually impossible to break on its own in a fall without other obvious injurues that pointed to the cause.

Of course, the weedkiller or whatever poison that was in the glass might have just been lying around conveniently. The Room Service might have forgotten to remove it after they cleaned out the weeds in Woolmer's hotel room and he in turn mistook it for Worcestershire sauce and used it to spice -up his drink. Simple and end of story. How stupid could the Jamaican Police have been not to have seen through something so obvious?

The British investigators are always right when it comes to delicate issues like this. They have plenty of experinece. Remember the Lusitania?
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Old 05-06-2007, 09:41 AM in reply to Nostromo's post starting "The 'broken bone in the neck' was..."
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The British investigators are always right when it comes to delicate issues like this. They have plenty of experinece. Remember the Lusitania?
Oohh...Another little conspiracy theory ..

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Hyoid Bone and that would be virtually impossible to break on its own in a fall without other obvious injurues that pointed to the cause
I was not even aware that they were talking about the Hyoid bone...anyhow, perhaps Bob did have a previous injury there?
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Old 05-06-2007, 09:58 AM in reply to Wanderer's post starting "Oohh...Another little conspiracy theory..."
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Oohh...Another little conspiracy theory ..

I was not even aware that they were talking about the Hyoid bone...anyhow, perhaps Bob did have a previous injury there?
There is no conspiracy whatever. They were talking of the hyoid bone, but there is a simple explanation. After accidentally consuming the weedkiller-spiced drink, Woolmer clutched and clawed at his own throat, giving rise to the so-called 'strangulation marks'. He then staggered over to the loo and fell awkwardly so that his neck came down on the side of the bath, neatly severing the hyoid. Meanwhile, the news of weeds in Jamaican hotel bedrooms had spread and some other people staying on the same floor panicked and moved to other bedrooms in the middle of the night. Perfectly understandable.
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Old 05-06-2007, 10:00 AM in reply to Wanderer's post starting "I dont know RJ. I do love a conspiracy..."
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I agree with wanderer. All the 'sell the paper' type stories came from the press.

snake venom,aconite,fatwa, match fixing,weedkiller in champagne etc.

The police had to follow the advice of the coroner.(who said suspious death, then a second said it , then a third looked at the photos of said autopsy and said no, it's natural causes)

This shows the quality of the British press (and others) whose only moralality is money.

all of the 'theoies' can be explained logically (weedkiller being used widley on cricket grounds,snake venom/aconite being dismissed as 'trash',along with matchfixing(no reference in biography or indeed elswhere fatwa very unlikely)
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Old 05-06-2007, 11:17 AM in reply to Richard Jenkins's post starting "I agree with wanderer. All the 'sell..."
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There is no conspiracy whatever
I was making reference to the Lusitania there...

If this wasn't a high profile case, there would not have been this kind (if any) media attention. That means less pressure on the people who are working the case and perhaps less blundering.
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Old 07-06-2007, 09:15 AM in reply to Wanderer's post starting "I was making reference to the Lusitania..."
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And still the end is (not) nigh...

The Jamaican police says there's "new material" in this case and they will hold a press conference soon: From Radio Jamaica: http://www.radiojamaica.com/news/sto...=2&story=36583
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Old 07-06-2007, 12:09 PM in reply to Richard Jenkins's post starting "I agree with wanderer. All the 'sell..."
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The police had to follow the advice of the coroner
I don't think the coroner has reported yet, has he? (Or are you using the term in its American sense of "bloke performing autopsy", rather than the legal sense which prevails in the UK and, I believe, in most Caribbean countries?)
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"Jamaca Police" have confirmed that Bob Woolomer did die of natural causes click here .

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Jamaican police have confirmed that Pakistan cricket coach Bob Woolmer died of natural causes and was not murdered, as they stated earlier.


A lot of people have been hurt by the speculation, not least the family of Bob Woolmer - and the reputation of the Pakistan players.
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