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Old 11-08-2007, 12:13 PM in reply to pie_chucker's post starting "Sidebottom has bowled econonmically..."
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Interesting session. Cook was dropped twice including a sitter and survived a clear lbw decision thanks to another of Howell's howlers. But he and Vaughan are now gone and I am sure KP can be made to feel the pressure. But there is always Collingwood......
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Now with KP out of the way, follow on looks likely. The bottom five should take less time to remove.
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:32 PM in reply to DomainK's post starting "Now with KP out of the way, follow on..."
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Collingwood just gone. The commentators are saying that he was "unlucky", but for once, Howell got it right. The ball pitched on line and was going to hit the leg stump. So Collingwood had no reason to look aggrieved as he did, but as usual the media will go on to say why England got all the poor decisions without being specific.
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:47 PM in reply to Nostromo's post starting "Collingwood just gone. The commentators..."
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Bell, who was playing rather well, got out to the most terrible stroke that I have seen a specialist batsman try. A sort of semi-squatting cut well away from the body to an outswinging new ball. This could be it!
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Old 11-08-2007, 06:57 PM in reply to Nostromo's post starting "Bell, who was playing rather well, got..."
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Bell [...] was playing rather well
On the highlights the commentators suggested he was playing better than any of the England batsmen and were using terms like "excellent" and "magnificent" to describe his strokeplay. He was certainly moving very well retaining great balance and demonstrating superb timing.

Shame about the loss of concentration... but no big deal: so long as he keeps getting 50+ before the lapses he'll go on to a long and successful career!
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Old 11-08-2007, 07:06 PM in reply to DomainK's post starting "Now with KP out of the way, follow on..."
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Now with KP out of the way, follow on looks likely. The bottom five should take less time to remove.
I think India will and should not enforce the follow on. They will rest their bowlers and let the pitch deteriorate further and than bowl with a big lead.
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Its funny how when England bowled on this wicket is was an absolute belter and no attack in the hisory of the game could bowl a team out cheaply.

However England are on the verge of being bowled out cheaply and the Indians also had no problem getting the ball to move around either.

Why dont we just face it; Anderson isnt test quality, Sidebottom lacks a yard of pace and Tremlett is too raw.
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Its funny how when England bowled on this wicket is was an absolute belter and no attack in the hisory of the game could bowl a team out cheaply
The wicket is a featherbed, and looks like remaining one to the end of the game. The conditions have been pretty unhelpful throughout... but offered just enough to Zaheer Khan and to Anil Kumble for them to keep batsmen honest through exceptionally good bowling.
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However England are on the verge of being bowled out cheaply
Not really. England got through the first 30 overs for the loss of just one (gifted)top order wicket (which they'd have taken at the outset)... and then put on another 150 or so for the loss of just one (daft) wicket (which is exemplary) and looked well set for a massive total with Bell putting in a batting masterclass.

The total looks like being a respectable 350ish rather than an outstanding 450ish... and that's largely down to characteristic impatience rather than incompetence with the bat.. and in fairness, a first innings 350 might still be enough of a platform for England in this game.
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Why dont we just face it; Anderson isnt test quality, Sidebottom lacks a yard of pace and Tremlett is too raw.
Too harsh. Sure, better bowlers would have restricted India to no more than 450 in 170 overs... but had Prior snaffled his chances and not taken a sitter away from Strauss... even this attack might have got close to that basic goal.

Sure, Tremlett's currently a step below the best of Flintoff.... but he ain't that far off. Sidebottom's on a par with Hoggard of 2005.... and IS on a par with the best of Flintoff. The only question mark is over Anderson... but he's still VERY young... and shows stacks of promise! If he was at this level and Sidebottom's age then England would have no interest in him... but the kid is still 4-5 years short of his peak, with perhaps 10 years of England contention left in him!!!
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Old 11-08-2007, 10:10 PM in reply to Rachael's post starting "The wicket is a featherbed, and looks..."
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Not seen anything today but it sounds grim.

I doubt India will make us follow on as that is the only way they could lose as batting late on Monday needing 120 might be a problem,doubt it though.

Still at least i had a good day,Salop won 4-0 away from home.
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The wicket is a featherbed........ and looked well set for a massive total with Bell putting in a batting masterclass.

The total looks like being a respectable 350..
If the wickets still a featherbed then 350 isnt a good score. The Indian bowlers got enough out of the pitch to be a threat and ultimatley take wickets.

How could Bell deliver a batting masterclass, he scored 50 and played a rubbish shot to get out! If he'd scored 150 then that is a masterclass. And even if Bell had scored a hundred we would still not be looking at any more than 450 - that aint a massive score on a featherbed.

As for the bowlers i doubt that Anderson will ever be a regular he's too inconsistant. Sidebottom is no where near to being in the same class as a fully fit Flintoff. He has shown that he lacks pace to play on flat decks.

Hopefully Hoggard, Harmison and Flintoff will be fully fit soon and normal service will be resumed.
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