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Old 06-01-2008, 09:44 AM in reply to willow_wielder's post starting "Latest ganguly dismissal, what else can..."
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Latest ganguly dismissal, what else can you say about it other than calling it utterly shambolic, demoralising and outrageous?

This test will go down in my memory for very worst of umpiring it has displayed.
I have been following cricket for 35 years across the globe and never have I seen a more farcical test match than the one at the SCG. The Australian batsmen were out were given not out and the Indian batsmen were not out but were given out. As I have mentioned elsewhere, the ICC should nullify the result and award it as a "no result - because of umpiring errors".
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Old 06-01-2008, 09:45 AM in reply to Seamer's post starting "O.K Fair enough Kasame. It's just that..."
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After the farce at the SCG, I rest my case.
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Old 06-01-2008, 09:46 AM in reply to acker's post starting "Let's put it this way Harbajan has..."
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Seems all Australians are after Harbhajan. The players are complaining, the fans are complaining. They obviously cant see anything else to complain about in the match. After all, he celebrated after claiming the wicket of the best Australian batsman again and again.....how dare he.
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Old 06-01-2008, 09:51 AM in reply to Kasamse's post starting "I have been following cricket for 35..."
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I have been following cricket for 35 years across the globe and never have I seen a more farcical test match than the one at the SCG. The Australian batsmen were out were given not out and the Indian batsmen were not out but were given out. As I have mentioned elsewhere, the ICC should nullify the result and award it as a "no result - because of umpiring errors".
ICC is too impotent to do that. Speed will make a comment giving statistics about how 92 point something umpiring decisions have been correct in the history of the game and then it will rest. The media will cry foul, the Australians will keep calling Harbhajan a racist and the same thing will be repeated. The problem is that the people who are running this game are bent on making mockery of the game.
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Old 06-01-2008, 09:51 AM in reply to Kasamse's post starting "After the farce at the SCG, I rest my..."
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After the farce at the SCG, I rest my case.
Cricinfo - Australia's attitude lacking in appeal

As I said:

Natioinal Examiners cannot judge the work of a candidate they have taught ... furthermore, it is prefered that you do not mark the paper of a candidate you know.

The rational being that you will have a bias toward a candidate whose work you know.

Unfortunately, unless we lock umpires up between matches and forbid them access to sports coverage of any kind, neutrality is impossible.
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Old 06-01-2008, 09:59 AM in reply to acker's post starting "Let's put it this way Harbajan has..."
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Footballers would often get fined for celebrating like Harbajan.
have you ever seen a football goal being celebrated? They dance, they do a somersault, go slinding out on the pitch on there knees. They are never fined for it. Footballers get yellow only when the remove shirt or go off the pitch while celebrating. Only footballe foolish enough to do robbie fowler imitation of cocaine snorting get fined in cash.
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Old 06-01-2008, 10:23 AM in reply to Occasional Fan's post starting "This seems to be a tired old subject..."
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Seems to me that cricket is a game played by fallible human beings under the control and observation of fallible human beings. Players and umpires make mistakes. That's life. We just need to get on with it.
odd mistake here and there doesn't matter. But when there so much inconsistency and sheer incompetence is evident, you can not accept it as a part of fate and turn a blind eye. There is something of history between Bucknor and India just as there were a history between Hair and sub-continental teams. When at the end of the day you can not but feel hard done by those in command of undisputed power, then there is something seriously wrong with the spirit of game and sportsmanship.
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"History" between Steve Bucknor and anyone? Give it a rest, please - or at least provide some evidence to back up that claim.

As I said above, I can accept that he's an old man these days and not as good as he was - but he was probably the best for a long time and I have never heard any suggestion of bias levelled against him. I am afraid I rather tire of hearing these comments from South Asia, and all the more so when no support whatever is offered.
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Old 06-01-2008, 12:43 PM in reply to willow_wielder's post starting "odd mistake here and there doesn't..."
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Umpiring blunders are here to stay
as long as various cricket boards(especially captains) don't support for inclusion of new technologies in to game(through icc) there never going to be a match without doubtful decisions
let us hope and pray soon all major cricketing nations adopt technologies like hot spot or conventional yet powerful third umpire referrals for questionable decisions(again icc has to permit this first)
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"History" between Steve Bucknor and anyone? Give it a rest, please - or at least provide some evidence to back up that claim.

As I said above, I can accept that he's an old man these days and not as good as he was - but he was probably the best for a long time and I have never heard any suggestion of bias levelled against him. I am afraid I rather tire of hearing these comments from South Asia, and all the more so when no support whatever is offered.

West Indian umpire Steve Bucknor has been involved in a few controversies with the Indian team over the years. Here’s what we found.

1992 India vs South Africa: It was the first Test match in which the ICC had introduced the third umpire. SA were 90 for 6, when Jonty Rhodes was run out by almost a foot. Bucknor refused to go upstairs despite Ravi Shastri and other Indian players coercing him to do so. SA recovered from there to 350 with the batsman in question scoring 90.

1998-99: India vs Pakistan: Shoaib Akhtar obstructs Sachin Tendulkar as he fails to make it to the crease. Bucknor turns a blind eye and refers to the third umpire. As the red light flashes and Tendulkar walks back to the dressing room, Eden Gardens erupts and police chase the crowds out of the stadium for the match to continue.

2003-04: India vs Australia: Sachin Tendulkar was given out leg-before at a crucial juncture when the ball appeared to be going well above the stumps on bouncy Brisbane track.

2003-4: India vs Australia: Bucknor was caught mimicking Rahul Dravid on camera at the Sydney Cricket Ground. The Indians lodged a protest with the game’s governing body.

2003-04: India vs Australia: India were denied a piece of history on the final day of the Sydney Test after Bucknor turned down many close LBW appeals against the Australians. Sourav Ganguly in his post series report to the ICC gave Bucknor very poor rating. The ICC rewarded them by appointing the Jamaican for the high-voltage three-Test series against Pakistan.

2004: India coach John Wright barged inside match referee Ranjan Madugalle’s room after he was unhappy Bucknor’s umpiring at the Gaddafi Stadium. Wright felt that the West Indian was biased, India lost the match.

2005: Bucknor, standing in his 100th Test, a feat achieved at Kolkata, made it one of his most memorable outings when he adjudged Tendulkar out caught behind when the bat was no where near the ball. So taken aback was Tendulkar with the decision that a few teammates reckoned he actually shed a tear.

2008: Bucknor rules Andrew Symonds not out after the batsman edged the ball to the wicketkeeper. Australia were 193 for 6 at that stage and they went on to score 376 for 7 at close of play. A few Indian cricketers swear they have never hard such a loud nick before. Ian Chappell reckons it was the worst decision he has seen after surviving one against Michael Holding during Kerry Packer days.

2004: Remember he is the same umpire who wagged his finger like a school headmaster at Parthiv Patel for appealing too much.

2004: Mocked Rahul Dravid, whom he accused of applying sweet saliva to the cricket ball and shooed off Yuvraj when he asked him to change his bat when some of the taping on it was coming loose.

thats just some of the incidents I can recall, I'm sure there are more of them.
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