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Old 04-01-2008, 01:31 PM in reply to Nostromo's post starting "[quote] I think that is an..."
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To say that increasing the prospect of fairness via technology will be detrimental to cricket is silly.
That's true. Who said that?
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Old 06-01-2008, 09:07 AM in reply to Seamer's post starting "Has anyone tried umpiring? It is damn..."
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Has anyone tried umpiring?

It is damn hard - and i have only done it umpiring junior games. The hardest part for mine was trying to focus the eyes from looking down for no balls and then looking up to see what happens at the other end. I struggled - and that was with bowlers bowling 110kmh medium pacers. I ended up not bothering to look down for no-balls - that was the only way i could give myself time to see the nicks and LBW's. Forget batpads. There was no way in the world i could get those right.

Imaging what it is like in front of huge crowds with guys like Brett Lee or Muralitheran bowling in a pressure cooker situation.

The technology is there now with super slow motion footage and the excellent hotspot technology. If they can turn the results around fast enough, they should use it.
I did in a 30 over match between Blackall (who I was playing for) and Tambo in Western Queensland about 13-14 years ago. The batting team provided 2 umpires for a 6 over spell each. Late order batters started then were replaced by batters who went out.

As it was a limited over match, whilst I was feilding at square leg I raised my arm for a "no ball or wide" when a Tambo quickish bowler bowled a ball from which in my position appeared to be 1-2 foot above the Blackall batsmens head.

I ended up with a 5 minute in your (in this case my) face remonstration, where I was called every name under the sun by the Western Queensland version of the West Indies; the Tambo cricket club fast bowling division.

Long live the "Tambo Teddy"

Peter Roebuck who I sought of respect most times but not all, mentioned on the ABC commentary that "snicko" the microphone listening device for "nicks" had some merit. But there is some concern that the technicians who deliver the data "snicko" produces may become biased amongst their national/team alliances.
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I don't know about bias, but it's also worth bearing in mind that Hawkeye, which some people consider to provide conclusive proof in all lbw shouts, also relies on human input and is therefore prone to human error. Whether that human error is wider or narrower than the umpires' is not clear to me - not sure I ever seen a study on it.
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Old 06-01-2008, 09:19 AM in reply to Occasional Fan's post starting "I don't know about bias, but it's also..."
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it's also worth bearing in mind that Hawkeye, which some people consider to provide conclusive proof in all lbw shouts, also relies on human input and is therefore prone to human error.
It's amazing how many ppl don't know this, I like that the NZ coverage shows the track of the ball which has been guessed (cause that's all it really is) but I wouldn't to see the third umpire referring to hawkeye.
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Old 06-01-2008, 09:27 AM in reply to Occasional Fan's post starting "I don't know about bias, but it's also..."
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I don't know about bias, but it's also worth bearing in mind that Hawkeye, which some people consider to provide conclusive proof in all lbw shouts, also relies on human input and is therefore prone to human error. Whether that human error is wider or narrower than the umpires' is not clear to me - not sure I ever seen a study on it.
Hawkeye is a funny one

The replay of "Hawkeye" on channel 9 (Australia) showed the Michael Clarke to R.P Singh delivery visably going over the top of middle stump, yet the imaginary bail's flew off.

Singh was given out LBW. And to the naked eye it did not look as though Clarke would have produced that much bounce on that delivery

But the previous delivery Harbajan got out on did steeple in bounce and hit Harbajan on the gloves (rather than what Tony Greig reported as flying off the shoulder of his bat)....so it would not surprise that R.P Singh may have been a bit hard done by.
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Despite the ludicrous umpiring at the SCG where there were far too many "swings" and too few "roundabouts", some people will still argue that umpires know best. It is all very well to say that "one must respect the umpire's decision even when he is wrong", but that philosophy will increasingly make the entire game a sham, like the one just concluded in Sydney. If the scorecard and the result is based on a series of errors - as this one certainly was - there is no point in playing the game at all. Basically, it will end up with a group of patronising and power-mad former players sitting on their haunches and effectively telling players on the field "you'll do damn well as you're told....or else". I agree that players should be reprimanded for bad behaviour, but what gives the right for umpires to get away with neanderthally bad decisions or the backroom officials to tell the teams to 'put up and shut up'...and be applauded for doing a "good job"?
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Old 06-01-2008, 03:28 PM in reply to Nostromo's post starting "Despite the ludicrous umpiring at the..."
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Well in recent weeks we have had 3 dismissals where players have caught the ball and smashed the ball hard into the ground as they have landed, KP in Sri Lanka was given out when he shouldn't have been,Harris claimed the catch for south Africa yesterday and a Bangladesh player was given out in the same way.If replays were available then all the decisions would have been overturned.

I didn't like what KP did last summer by failing to leave the field even if the correct decision was eventually reached but we may as well bring in the technology now as we are getting far too many poor decisions across the world at the moment.

We have always had these decisions but the cameras are so good now and there are so many angles that we see every error within seconds so why not help the umpires by using the technology.
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