Well I'm not saying that at all because I don't care if Australia wins or loses, I'd like to see them lose to be honest. I was frankly quite disgusted (as I'm sure Indian players are) that they lost this Test match, I'd like to think you are looking for any reason to explain this dismal loss other than a lack of ability to finish. You had them by their throats and could not finish, and are blowing this factor way out of proportion, eg; Yes, you got 30 AWFUL, REPREHENSABLE decisions. Right. I rest my case.

Dont go after the number....I was being sarcastic. The bad decisions were less than 30 but were there and had the half of those decisions gone India's way, the result of the match would have been different.

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My computer can beat me at chess.....but its no match for me at kick boxing.

You don't know if the results would be different at all, I am willing to concede that it handicapped India and that's really unfortunate, it has happened a lot in the history of Test cricket, this is not a special case. Yes, action should be taken to make sure this does not happen again. My strong belief is that you are blowing this out of proportion, there was a call for "No Result" for God's sake! You cannot tell me what the result would or would not have been in these alternate Universes where things are completely different in the Test match.

It was bad, unfortunate, it's nothing new, it's nothing personal against India, and the match was there to win still for India and they were not good enough. I'm sorry you can't see that, and I'm surprised someone who watches a lot of cricket is so amazed that a game with substandard umpiring occured.

Your statement clearly suggests that its very common and hence should be accepted? Yes, its getting more and more frequent and thats why its time to take steps to minimize it. It is time to make the umpires accountable when they refuse to ask the third umpire in close calls and when they prefer to consult a playing team's captain in making their decisions. And it is time to find a replacement for an umpire when they make too many errors of judgment. It is also time to find out whether the umpires actually know all the rules of the game- the umpires who officiated in the world cup final didnt, Ashioka Desilva, the Srilankan umpire failed a written test on rules held by the Srilankan board. The case of Ashoka Desilva shows how careful ICC is about the recruitments of umpires.

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My computer can beat me at chess.....but its no match for me at kick boxing.

I'm not saying it's very common, I'm saying it happens. We all know it happens, we should try and improve it, I'm more than willing to hear ideas to improve standards and get those in the game - you're not doing that, you are bitching. Sorry, there's no other way to put it. Anyway, we all know it happens in cricket, it's one of the first things we learn about the game, yes, by all means, let's make it better, this is not what you are doing at all, you are being a sore loser (though I don't dispute Australia was also performing like a sore winner, not at all).

I remember when Inzamam was given run out despite not attempting a run last year I think, and that was an awful thing to watch, an umpire actually not knowing the rules, as far as I know, the issues here were of judgement, not of law. I would be more outraged if the actual laws themselves were not applied. I never said it should be accepted, in fact I endorsed the removal of these two umpires for the next Test and the resignation of Steve Bucknor, so I didn't do this at all. But it DID NOT "COST" INDIA THE TEST.

Bitching? Did you say that? I have been stating facts. How am I bitching? Just because I am protesting bad umpiring, I am bitching? Or is it because I am not agreeing with you? We dont come to a forum to agree with each other and an argument is not bitching.

I dont think we are going to agree on that. We both have already said what we had to say. So lets agree to disagree and stop.

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My computer can beat me at chess.....but its no match for me at kick boxing.

No one, not one person, has said the umpiring was satisfactory. The only issue I have is the fact that you claim it "cost" India the Test, when this was a very winnable game for India, they were in positions to win, and their frittering away of those positions cannot be explained away purely in terms of umpiring. In fact, umpiring makes a very small fraction of what went wrong with this Test for India. You are making excuses, bitching, if you will, rather than talking about improving the standard of umpiring, what do you want us to do about it? Nothing can be done, this seems to be the definition of bitching to me...it reminds me of the "bent arm" Murali thing...it's over, let it go unless you propose a solution.

Anyway, ok, I'm happy to let my comments stand and you seem willing to do likewise.

Should I apologise

My mind seems to be devoid of memories of Indian batsmen walking off before the umpires finger gets raised.

Should Symonds apologise for making another 120 runs after his peice of good fortune rather than skying the next ball for a duck.

I notice many Indian fans have quickly overlooked or barely noticed that one of these recent Harbajan getting out Ricky Ponting lbw desicions, Ponting conclusively hit the ball with his bat prior to it hitting his pad.

But hey that was not an Indian hard luck story so I suppose does not count..

You are I'm afraid.

It seems to me that team India wont win a test against Australia until they take the chip off their shoulder.

Bring two positive opening batsmen into the side who are intent on scoring runs to win a match rather than start playing for a draw from ball one.

Give Harbajan some good firm advice...bowl, bat, field and enjoy the game..but if you going to be a potty mouth zip it.

Give the pace bowlers an opportunity to bowl..RP Singh 14-15 overs to Kumble and Harbajan about 30-40 each is what I consider under bowling the guy.

Maybe Youvraj is not working, their is a guy called Karthik

Start teaching your next captain (probably Dohni) how to set field placings that suit pace bowlers on bouncier pitches. To often Kumble moved a fielder to a position after someone hit the ball there.

But if you would prefer to try changing crickets rules rather than addressing team issues ..good luck