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Old 07-01-2008, 04:48 AM
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Nine reaons why/how India lost the SCG test

As reported in the media in India, Nine reasons how/why India lost the SCG test.

Day 1:
# Australian skipper Ricky Ponting nicked a Sourav Ganguly delivery going the leg side to wicketkeeper Mahendra Singh Dhoni. Ponting, who was on 17, did not walk as Benson turned down the Indian appeal. Australia were about 45 for 2 at that stage and in trouble. The skipper went on to score 55 before being ironically given out leg before despite getting an inside edge.
# Then came the blunder which probably changed the course of the match and Australia won (or rather India were made to lose). All rounder Andrew Symonds edged Ishant Sharma to Dhoni but to the horror of the fielding side, Bucknor remained unmoved. Symonds was given another reprieve when the third umpire shockingly erred in giving him not out on a stumping appeal. The right hander went on to score an unbeaten 162 to take Australia to safety after being 134 for six.

Day 2:

# Another escape for Symonds as Bucknor turns down a close stumping appeal without consulting the third umpire.
# Jaffer is bowled off a no-ball which the umpire does not call.

Day 4:

# Benson turns down an Anil Kumble appeal for a leg before against Michael Hussey despite the ball hitting the batsman's pads plumb in front. Hussey was on 22
# Benson is at it again, Hussey edged one from RP Singh to Dhoni but both the batsman and the umpire were unmoved. Hussey was on 45 at that time and went on to score an unbeaten 145.
# Having taken Hussey and Clarke, Kumble seemed to have got his hat-trick after having Symonds trapped LBW but Bucknor says no. Symonds scored 61.

Day 5:

# Probably the most horrifying day for the Indians, Bucknor gives Rahul Dravid caught behind off Symonds despite the ball missing the bat by miles.
# Sourav Ganguly is caught at slips by Michael Clarke but the catch appeared to have come off the ground. However, instead of going to the third umpire, Benson checks with Ponting, who quite expectedly calls it clean. The umpire believed the Australian captain who had claimed a "bump" catch few balls earlier. Also the catch was claimed by Michael Clarke who on day 4, had refused to leave after being caught in the first slip. How the umpires trusted these two Australian cricketers is beyond any logic.
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Old 07-01-2008, 04:53 AM in reply to Kasamse's post "Nine reaons why/how India lost the SCG..."
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They forgot the tenth reason

India was not good enough....
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Old 07-01-2008, 05:40 AM in reply to acker's post starting "They forgot the tenth reason India..."
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They forgot the tenth reason

India was not good enough....
Day 6: India thought if they sooked enough the Test would be deemed null and void.

Day 7: It wasn't !
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Old 07-01-2008, 08:41 AM in reply to Kasamse's post "Nine reaons why/how India lost the SCG..."
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I notice that there is no reference to any of the decisions that went against the Aussies. This can subsequently be labeled as bias.

Yes India got a rough deal this test, no-one disputes that. It is not the first time in history that it has happened - it happens all the time

It is the first time in history that someone has made such a furore over it however.

Kasamse, you have to let it go mate. It is not good for your soul to lower your inner vibrations to such an extent over it. It leaves you feeling dark and it is not good for your health and those around you.

It doesn't effect us at the end of the day. We are just the boobs that sit and watch the game, and fork out our money to enrich the players.

It is their problem, not ours. It is not good for relations between members of a board like this to get too worked up over it. Yes get it off your chest, but then......let it go.

I like Indians. I hope Indians like Aussies. Let's not let a meaningless game ruin it.
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Old 07-01-2008, 08:46 AM in reply to Seamer's post starting "I notice that there is no reference to..."
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thats 12 decisions against 1 that we are talking in here. And ponting should have gone long before he was wrongly given lbw against harbhajan.

It is easy for you to call indians whinners and preach us virtues of letting it go since you won the test which you hardly deserved.
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Old 07-01-2008, 08:47 AM in reply to Seamer's post starting "I notice that there is no reference to..."
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I notice that there is no reference to any of the decisions that went against the Aussies. This can subsequently be labeled as bias.

Yes India got a rough deal this test, no-one disputes that. It is not the first time in history that it has happened - it happens all the time

It is the first time in history that someone has made such a furore over it however.

Kasamse, you have to let it go mate. It is not good for your soul to lower your inner vibrations to such an extent over it. It leaves you feeling dark and it is not good for your health and those around you.

It doesn't effect us at the end of the day. We are just the boobs that sit and watch the game, and fork out our money to enrich the players.

It is their problem, not ours. It is not good for relations between members of a board like this to get too worked up over it. Yes get it off your chest, but then......let it go.

I like Indians. I hope Indians like Aussies. Let's not let a meaningless game ruin it.
Seamer, someone needs to stand up and protest. If we keep accepting it, it will continue to happen. I am not complaining about the errors of judgment. I am protesting the stupidities like not referring to the third umpire for close calls and giving a decision after consulting Ponting. This is simply not acceptable and there must be a way to make umpires accountable when they knowingly do such things.
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And yes, when even the errors of judgment are so many, protest is a must. If you expect us to sit back take it, you are mistaken.
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Old 07-01-2008, 08:50 AM in reply to DomainK's post starting "Seamer, someone needs to stand up and..."
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There must be a way to make umpires accountable when they knowingly do such things.
There is - and the BCCI have used that way, by asking the ICC not to use Bucknor. That should be the end of the matter, but I am afraid it won't be.
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India has been hard done by for sure.

Shocking Umpiring !! Shocking !!

In the end it's a game, and India have got to pick themselves up and give the Aussies a run for their money in Perth.

I hope they do, and beat this awesome Aussie team.

If they want go home however, Good bye !
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1 SYMONDS: LIFE NO 1

Ishant induces a thick edge off Symonds (30). The Indians appealed instantly. Symonds looked back and even took a step towards the pavilion when from the corner of his eye he saw the umpire was unmoved. Umpire in question: Steve Bucknor Honesty meter: Batsman edges, knows it and still refuses to walk

2 SYMONDS: LIFE NO 2

Kumble drew a defensive Symonds (48) forward. Dhoni whipped off the bails quickly. Steve Bucknor referred it to the TV umpire. All the camera angles showed that Symonds feet were in the air when the bails were dislodged. Third umpire Bruce Oxenford saw it differently. Umpire in question: Bruce Oxenford Honesty Meter: Not applicable

3 REPRIEVE FOR PONTING

Ganguly bowled one down the leg-side. Ponting (17) appeared to have nicked the ball as Dhoni immediately went up in celebration. TV replays showed that there was an edge, but the umpire remained unmoved. Umpire in question: Mark Benson Honesty Meter: It isn’t a display of ‘integrity’ to stay put when to know that you are out

4 SYMONDS: LIFE NO 3

Harbhajan draws Symonds forward in the second innings and Dhoni clips the bails off. However, the square leg umpire chooses not to consult the Third Umpire. Replays clearly show the Aussie’s foot was on the line and not behind it. Umpire in question: Steve Bucknor Honesty Meter: Not Applicable

5 JAFFER’S BAD LUCK

Wasim Jaffer was done in by a perfect yorker by Lee. Nothing wrong there, but the bowler appeared to have overstepped the popping crease while delivering the ball. The umpire failed to see that. TV replays showed Lee overstepping. Umpire in question: Mark Benson Honesty Meter: Not Applicable

6 SYMONDS LIVES ON

Symmonds faced Kumble’s hattrick ball and is trapped in front. The Indians appeal, but in vain. Umpire in question: Mark Benson Honesty Meter: Not Applicable

7 LUCKY HUSSEY

On Day 4, when Hussey was on 22 a Kumble delivery gets him plumb in front of the pitch, standing on backfoot, the umpire says no. Umpire in question: Mark Benson Honesty meter: Not applicable

8 NOT SO CLEAN HUSSEY

When Hussey was on 45, RP Singh appeals as a thick edge off a legside delivery carries to MS Dhoni. Umpire in question: Mark Benson Honesty meter: Hussey did not walk

9 SMART ALEC CLARKE

Michael Clarke, don’t Aussies have to walk? It’s a googly from Kumble. Clarke’s cut results in a thick edge finds Rahul Dravid in the slips. Despite it being a cleanly taken catch, Clarke stands his ground and waits for the umpire to give a decision. Umpire in question: Steve Bucknor Honesty meter: Sunil Gavaskar said on TV: “Did Clarke want Dravid to take the catch with one hand?’’

10 THE WALL IS BROKEN

Dravid attempts to play at a Symonds delivery. However, it beats everything before Gilchrist pouches it. The Aussies appeal and the umpire obliges. A smiling Dravid walks gracefully. Umpire in question: S Bucknor Honesty Meter: For a player like Gilchrist, who’s known to be the epitome of honesty, to appeal in such a case is shocking

11 SOURAV SUFFERS

Ganguly edges a Lee delivery to third slip. Clarke seemes to have taken taken the ball off the ground and, even as he rolls over, he grounds the hall once again. The umpire, instead of consulting the Third Umpire or Bucknor at square-leg, asks captain Ponting if the catch is clean. Ponting answers in the affirmative and Benson then raises his finger Umpire in question: Mark Benson Honesty Meter: Shameful to appeal when you know you’ve grounded the ball not once but twice. Also, did Benson expect Ponting to say the truth when the player himself has not ‘walked’

12 ANOTHER ERROR

With Australia recovering on Day 1, Ponting at 55 was trapped by a Harbhajan straighter one. The only problem is that Ponting tried to work it on the leg side and gets a massive inside edge on to the pad, but umpire raises the finger. Umpire in question : Mark Benson Honesty meter: Not applicable
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