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Old 15-01-2008, 11:32 PM in reply to south beds mikey's post starting "You must admit Acks that stats can be..."
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I think that Ponting is one of the best captains to play the game, his record is impeccable, he leads by example, and he has the killer instinct that is required for the job. He also plays within the rules of the game and never crosses the line, and I was impressed with how Ponting handled the Singh Symonds fiasco, standing up for his players is one of the most important jobs for a captain.
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Old 15-01-2008, 11:34 PM in reply to Quagmire's post starting "I think that Ponting is one of the best..."
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Sorry quags. Its only my opinion but I think he did cross the line with the Clarke "catch"
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Old 16-01-2008, 12:11 AM in reply to south beds mikey's post starting "Sorry quags. Its only my opinion but I..."
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Sorry quags. Its only my opinion but I think he did cross the line with the Clarke "catch"
After the meeting between Anil Kumble and himself, he was the only one of the two that said in hindsight he would like to change a few things about what he did in that test match.

Kumble obviously is perfectly happy about the way he has handled himself and offered no such humility.

Kumble is definitely not Humble.
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What I would say about Ponting as captain is that he cost Australia the Ashes in England. Australia had the better team, but Ponting was guilty of letting the game drift all too frequently when Australia were in the field and Plan A against a particular batsman wasn't working. Most of the 'Plan Bs' in that series seemed to come from Warne, who Ponting didn't 'ask' enough. In my opinion, Taylor, Waugh or Border would have won that series in England with the same players available.

Credit to Ponting, however, from coming back from that. He no longer has the experience of Warne or McGrath to turn to when things aren't going so well, so he's obviously improved as a tactical leader since 2005, though I would still think that Taylor, Waugh or Border would have achieved the same with an identical list of players available.
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After the meeting between Anil Kumble and himself, he was the only one of the two that said in hindsight he would like to change a few things about what he did in that test match.

Kumble obviously is perfectly happy about the way he has handled himself and offered no such humility.

Kumble is definitely not Humble.
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Acker, you make me laugh. Was it not you who claimed that Ponting had done nothing wrong and was it not you who defended Pontings "questionable actions" at all costs. Now after Ponting admits that he could have done things differently (Basically he is admitting that he did not play within the spirit of the game) you want to change your tune.

Now you want to criticise Kumble, the man who asked for the bloody meeting in the first place. Ironic

But then again after reading your posts on the Fleming-Ponting issue, I should not be surprised with these comments.
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You must admit Acks that stats can be open to huge interpretation. ponting win% against Vaughan is 20% and his loss is 40%. Are you saying that makes Vaughan a better captain?
But Vaughn is a better captain and now you have proved it

PS: according to Acker logic, Ponting would have won the WC if he captained Bermuda as well.
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What I would say about Ponting as captain is that he cost Australia the Ashes in England.
I'm not going to defend Ponting entirely - he made mistakes - but there was issues going on behind the scenes between himself and Warne. Like a ship with two masts pointing in different directions.

But at the end of the day, England won the series more with the ball than bat. Vaughan's nouce and the outstanding performances by Flintoff and Jones were the decisive factors IMO.

No one can criticize Ponting's performance with the bat in that series.
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No one can criticize Ponting's performance with the bat in that series.
Not at all. His innings at Old Trafford ensured that it didn't finish 3-1; I', just talking about his captaincy and leadership on the field.
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Old 16-01-2008, 08:27 PM in reply to Andy Mellon's post starting "Not at all. His innings at Old Trafford..."
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Not even the most one eyed England fan could argue with that. A supreme innings at Manchester (thought we were in with a shout when he was strangled down the leg side) and very unlucky in the crucial test at Nottingham (sawn off when he got a thin nick on his LBW and the now famous, or should I say infamous run out by the sub)

I'm not doubting his excellent credentials as a player or even his record as a skipper, I'm justing pointing out that statistics can be manipulated to prove almost any point if you're selective enough.
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Old 17-01-2008, 12:51 AM in reply to gibbs_fan's post starting "But Vaughn is a better captain and now..."
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You must admit Acks that stats can be open to huge interpretation. ponting win% against Vaughan is 20% and his loss is 40%. Are you saying that makes Vaughan a better captain?
Well if we were arguing this topic late in 2005 you would be on the high ground here "mikey"

But it is early 2008 and Vaughan shares like "Citibank's" during the sub-prime crisis have gone down since then. Pontings have risen.

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But Vaughn is a better captain and now you have proved it
was a better captain is a more correct terminology, by the way what's Pontings up to versus Graham Smith 500% better or something like that
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PS: according to Acker logic, Ponting would have won the WC if he captained Bermuda as well.
Well I bet you their win loss ratio would improve dramatically if he was captaining Bermuda.
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