Impugn means accuse.

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There's some pretty depressing stuff in your post, Nostromo, but I'm quite sure that the above isn't true.

I just don't understand why not. Why do people seek the worst in others and actively look for confrontation when in the majority of people there is more good than bad and a real desire to co-operate with and learn from one's fellow man rather than to upset him?

I suspect this is a crowd thing rather than a personal thing. As I said above somewhere, it is much easier to deal with individuals than it is to deal with crowds. I don't seek to excuse the crowds, of course, but my guess is that the vast majority of people in the crowd would never have said what they said if it had been one-to-one with Symonds.

What a depressing start to the day!

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I was replying to Quaqmire's post, one that he was very adamant about. I pointed out i has not seen it, and as it was off the FOX network, i asked the question if could have been a case of selective reporting


Impugn is a common word. If that program run on the FOX network painted out the Indian crowd in the way Quagmire described, then it would have been a case of impugning or vilifying.

That's right, and all such discussions are self defeating. They can point out the Cronulla riots, we can point out the caste system, they point out the aboriginal situation, we point out the Dalit's and so on and so on until we come to the conclusion that both societies have their shortcomings.

Firstly, "hate" is not an emotion i hold. The closest emotion to hate within me is a combination of sadness and pity.
Family guy vilifies all and sundry under the guise of "Stewie"
King of the Hill does a number on Hank's asian next door neighbour doesn't it.
Simpsons: Who haven't they done a number on and offended.

Jerry Springer, Wildest police videos, America's most wanted, Cops are a few that create fear and hate. But that is not FOX8's primary purpose, the "news" channels are the ones that mostly achieve this goal IMO. FOX8 is mainly there to stupefy the masses IMO.
You are missing the point Acker. I often make analogies as it is a good way to emphasise a point.

Highlighting a small minority of idiots to paint an unfair picture of a peaceable, well meaning majority is standard practice when employing mass media manipulation. This is what they do to the anti-globalist movement, and what they have apparently done to the Indian cricket crowd.

It's not just FOX. I consider the mass media in general to be the single largest scourge in western democracies. Look what they are doing to Ron Paul in the US right now. For the first time since the 60's, the true flames of democracy are starting to flicker to life, and the mass media over there is doing their level best to snuff it out. The elites want to choose who becomes President - not the people.
That is sad too, because Ron Paul is the world's one great hope to pull the U.S back from the brink.

YouTube - Mass Media, Education and why you are being kept in the dark

YouTube - JFK Secret Society Speech Re-edit

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Actually, I'd say that The Simpsons is more a kind of satire. Family Guy too, in a way, although they aren't quite as subtle as the Simpsons are. As for King of the Hill, yes they do a number on Khan (the Laosian neighbour) but Hank's son is very close with the Laosian daughter. Besides which, there are plenty of white-trash hicks that King of the Hill has a go at, too, so I don't really get your point.

Well, you are right about that. Apart from those three shows (plus Futurama) the rest of it's pretty much trash. I find that most of the really quality viewing is on TV1 or SciFi.

But, returning to the original point, from what I saw of "An Aussie Goes Bolly" there is no attempt at all to villify the Indians and Indian culture. On the contrary, it seemed to reflect very positively on them. Regarding Quagmire's post, the "crowd" episode hasn't aired yet, so I plan on watching it first before coming back to this.

Seamer you are throwing a much wider net over this thread than what issues it was raising.

I'm sorry this thread cannot tell you who killed "JFK" but when I raised it, it was never intended to.

god...one small stitch comes loose..and people pull the thread so far that the entire garment is useless. acker i'm replying to ur very first post. well we in india dont consider monkey to be a racial taunt. u can see school kids uttering them, just as u would see people calling each other pig, idiot etc in western grade schools. and MANY(underline that word) have no idea that monkey is a racial taunt nor do they know Symonds is of black origin(west indian to be precise) including Tendlya...whom i just made aware of about this fact..so it was as inane as calling Inzamam "Aloo"(which means potato if ur not aware of that incident in Toronto in an Indo-Pak series. He beat up a spectator coz he called him "aloo"). its as simple as that...so i would advise u to educate fellow aussies of the facts i just said. never mind all the talk in this thread which eventually led to even 'JFK' an ex-american president being discussed....wow!!!!

Nice..

my point is ...sometimes..in order to put in a stronger case...not just in cricket...but in real life as well..it may not be just good enough when one has a black background ...

if the same thing happens tomorrow to gibbs..it may ease out...coz he has just the black origin

.apparently.. if it happens to Ntini..it may not ease out

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every one is entitled to one let off...if it gets repeated then he gets punished. i would like to give the indian crowd that one let off...now that every body in india knows monkey is a racist word. if people use it again dont pardon them... and the whole country will be known as racist forever. let that tag stick and we will be ashamed forever if that happens next time.

Racism is a new term in india...as there were no differences based on color to the 80 % of indian population( if 80 % of indian population was born after 1947).. there are differences based on caste though. It may not be monkey tomorrow but something else tomorrow which may seem like a racial slur to the rest of the world. Its a cultural difference and its not easy to teach something new that one is not used to ...especially to a billion..

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Although i know a bit about this particular subject, don't particularly want to go into too much depth about it. But i will say that i know how these people work, what they hope achieve, how they hope to achieve it, and what they stand to gain from achieving it.

It's all about planting ever so subtle seeds in the human mind and letting them grow. You do this with the aim of polarising people at a subconscious level. Once they are sufficiently polarised, they are then ripe for the insertion of fear and uncertainty. The subconscious seeds then start to bloom and manifest themselves into the consciousness. Once done, they are ripe for the plucking. That's when you start driving in the wedges and turn that fear/distrust/uncertainty into rage/hate.

At that point, the victims become akin to ants who have had there pheromone trail disturbed. They run around madly, not really knowing why, and the creator of the disturbance, who is in total control, can take advantage of the situation.

Getting back to your above statement, you can consider those shows "the subtle seeds" You can consider the occurance in the so and so goes to Bollywood show "the seeds blooming into the conciousness" The masses are now ripe for the "wedges" Enter "the news"................

Think about this for a moment. When one hears about someone committing murder against someone he had no prior disagreement with, because he heard voices in his mind telling him to do it, then one can (correctly) assume that that person is insane.

Then think about another person committing murder against someone he had no prior disagreement with, because he heard politicians telling him to do it, then one could again (correctly) assume that he is insane.

But no, instead they are called "patriots", and the ones that convinced them to do it are considered "national heroes"

Does this mean as a species, humans are predisposed to insanity? Perhaps, but you need to plant plenty of seeds into the subconsciousness of a human mind to bring on that insanity i would say.

The last thing i will say on this subject is this. If you allow your children to watch commercial television regularly, or even allow yourself to watch it it regularly without understanding the nature of it, then don't complain if you or your children turn out insane as well.

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