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Old 25-01-2008, 02:47 PM in reply to batoutofhell's post starting "interesting points rachael so adelaide..."
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Old 25-01-2008, 02:47 PM in reply to Nostromo's post starting "One might accuse this Oz team of a few..."
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Nostromo , India will most likely enforce the follow or extend the lead and bat australia by setting a target of 600 or more in the second innings and i dont see australia bat 1 and half days to try and save this match .Ponting falling to harbi as always and the rest of the batsmen will have to play the innings of their lives to save the game and that a little too much for the aussie . The morale is very low after failing to break the record ,so it is a reasonable prediction for what can and will happen in the next 2 days .
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Old 25-01-2008, 03:07 PM in reply to batoutofhell's post starting "interesting points rachael so adelaide..."
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interesting points rachael
so adelaide oval traditionally offers good first innings total
what about second innings?and how often the match ends with a result?
Posted these stats yesterday

Cricinfo Statsguru - Adelaide Oval - Test matches - Ground analysis
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In the last 5 years, 3 times team batting second won whereas only once the team batting first beat the opposition at adelaide oval
I hope india does not lose from here(even a draw would be okay instead of a defeat-like england had last time here)

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Old 25-01-2008, 03:14 PM in reply to DarkKnight's post starting "Nostromo , India will most likely ..."
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Nostromo , India will most likely enforce the follow or extend the lead and bat australia by setting a target of 600 or more in the second innings and i dont see australia bat 1 and half days to try and save this match
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So. One bad innings in Perth out of the five tests this summer, and suddenly Australia are a bunch of batting bunnies?
Well, we will see, but Kumble being forced to make a difficult decision in regards to a second innings declaration seems the more likely scenario.

Knocking over a strong Australian batting lineup at Adelaide (twice no less) will not be as easy as some here seem to think.

That said, their have been so many silly predictions here lately that i can't work out if people actually mean what they say anymore
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Old 25-01-2008, 04:21 PM in reply to Seamer's post starting ". So. One bad innings in Perth out of..."
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OK... I had a huge posts of stats on the Adelaide Oval... but this covers the ground far more comprehensively...
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Even in Australia, though, some venues have been more hospitable to overseas batsmen than others. Adelaide, for instance, has almost always produced a flat pitch - thanks to Les Burdett, their curator - with little assistance to the bowlers. Sydney, meanwhile, has often helped spinners more than the fast bowlers. At both these venues, the bounce and seam movement has been less pronounced, allowing batsmen from outside Australia to feel more at home with conditions and get among the runs.

At the other three regular Test venues, though, the story has been entirely different. Brisbane has mostly helped the fast bowlers, and often hosts the first Test of a series, leaving overseas batsmen with little time to adjust to the Australian conditions. Melbourne has been quite bowler-friendly as well, while the trampoline-like bounce in Perth has often been far too much for the batsmen to get on top of. The best bet for most batsmen has been to make extra runs in Sydney and Adelaide, so that the overall numbers still look good after the damage from the other three venues.

The table below checks out the numbers for overseas top-order batsmen (Nos. 1-7) since 1990, and the difference in numbers between the two sets of numbers is stark: batsmen score 26% more runs per dismissal in Sydney and Adelaide than in the other three grounds.
The Upshot is set out in a table that doesn't easily reproduce here... but the gist is as follows....

At Adelaide & Sydney, 40 Tests have produced 17,660 at an average of 35.67 with 34 x 100 and 81 x 50
Brisbane, Melbourne & Perth, 55 Tests have produced 19,958 runs at a significantly lower 28.30 with just 28 x 100 but 108 x 50.

See Cricinfo - A soft corner for Adelaide and Sydney

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Not too many batsmen fall into the next category, but there have been a few overseas players who have flourished in conditions that most have found too difficult to conquer. The list is headed by an unlikely candidate: Mark Ramprakash managed an average of just 36.50 in Adelaide and Sydney, but he was consistency personified in the three tougher venues
Yup... 4 Tests and 3 epic, 4 hour+ innings (two unbeaten) as all around him struggled plus a quickfire 63 (fastest scoring of any batsman in the innings) contributed to a total of 347 runs at an average of 57.83.. and that's stacks better than (amongst others) Tendulkar, Lara, Laxman, Gooch, Kirsten, Dravid and Kallis!

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Old 25-01-2008, 04:25 PM in reply to Seamer's post starting ". So. One bad innings in Perth out of..."
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Yeah, you can call them silly but Indians have the edge with a total of 500 on the board . It wont be easy for india but still aussie chasing a mammoth total will eventually succumb to the spin duo of harbhajan and kumble arguably the best spinners in the world . An aussie win is out of the picture , only possibility now is a loss or a very unlikely draw if the weather interferes and disrupts some valuable time in the game .

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Old 25-01-2008, 08:40 PM in reply to Seamer's post starting ". So. One bad innings in Perth out of..."
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So. One bad innings in Perth out of the five tests this summer, and suddenly Australia are a bunch of batting bunnies?
Well, we will see, but Kumble being forced to make a difficult decision in regards to a second innings declaration seems the more likely scenario.

Knocking over a strong Australian batting lineup at Adelaide (twice no less) will not be as easy as some here seem to think.
The pitch is docile and the Indian bowlers will find the going tough especially now that RP Singh is sidelined.

As for Kumble having to make decision in the second innings, what if Australia score 750 plus (not impossible on this track) and then the Indians will be once again (like at the SCG) be batting to save the match on the last day!
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As for Kumble having to make decision in the second innings, what if Australia score 750 plus (not impossible on this track) and then the Indians will be once again (like at the SCG) be batting to save the match on the last day!
That is another possibility, but the less likely one

The most likely possibility is Australia scoring a similar total to India, the second Australia scoring somewhat less than India, the last being scoring somewhat more than India.

The Adelaide wicket does deteriorate over time. It doesn't break up, but the bounce becomes more variable with more and more balls keeping low.

This is the reason why Australia scoring 750 is unlikely.
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This is the reason why Australia scoring 750 is unlikely.
At 0/150, I have to agree with kasamse that Aussies are well and truly on way to 750 plus and putting India on the back-foot.

The Aussies will remember the 705 that India scored at the SCG in 2003-04.
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