Gilchrist retiring from test cricket - Page 2 - World A-Team Cricket Forum

Rachael

Quote:

Originally Posted by acker

Talking about mortality, out of interest who in the England batting lineup is averaging more than him in tests Rachael ?

I neither know Gilchrist's batting average.. nor care: what I do know is that Vaughan, Bell and Pietersen are vastly more accomplished batsmen - and that despite his weaknesses against spin, I'd take Cook or Strauss over Gilchrist as an opening batsman every single time, to say nothing of Collingwood or Shah as middle order options.

With that said... I take your point entirely if it's that Gilchrist is superior to other so-called specialist batsmen in Test cricket: not to the likes of Clarke, Chanderpaul and so on... but superior (for instance) to Symonds, Sehwag and Flintoff.

I've no quibbles with the claim that Gilchrist is the best no 7 batsman in the history of the game... and I don't think he should be excessively criticised as either as a backstop: I just feel that filling Healy's shoes was rather tougher!

acker · 11:13 PM

LG ICC Player Comparison - Test

Adam Gilchrist

Current Test Rating

639
Current Test Ranking
23
Highest Rating
874 - ( 08/03/2002 )
Highest Ranking
1 - ( 10/05/2002 )
Date of Birth
14/11/1971
Test Debut
05/11/1999Last Test Match
16/01/2008
Batting Style
LHB

Michael Vaughan

Current Test Rating
589
Current Test Ranking
27
Highest Rating
876 - ( 02/01/2003 )
Highest Ranking
1 - ( 10/04/2003 )
Date of Birth
29/10/1974
Test Debut
25/11/1999
Last Test Match
18/12/2007
Batting Style
RHB
Bowling Style
ROB

Seems to be a pretty close call between these two

Oasis Shah and Paul Collingwood.....what a joke.

And this is batting ratings only LG ICC Cricket Rankings

acker

And Gilly, Vaughan and Pieterson are in the all time top 50 ICC batting rankings.
And I note Andy Fowler of Zimbabwe who also kept wickets I think, a fantastic effort being rated 27th beat all time batting coming out of a weak team like Zimbabwe.

Still no sign of Ramprakesh, Bell, Collingwood, Shah, Strauss or even Trescothwick in the following all time greatest list Rachael.

Maybe they are James Bond types and "MI6" deleted them.

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1.D.G. Bradman AUS 961 961 v India, 06/02/1948
2.L. Hutton ENG 945 945 v West Indies, 30/03/1954
3.J.B. Hobbs ENG 942 942 v Australia, 19/08/1912
3.R.T. Ponting AUS 942 942 v England, 01/12/2006
5.P.B.H. May ENG 941 941 v Australia, 23/08/1956
6.C.L. Walcott WI 938 938 v Australia, 11/06/1955
6.K.C. Sangakkara SL 938 938 v England, 01/12/2007
6.G.S. Sobers WI 938 938 v India, 13/01/1967
6.I.V.A. Richards WI 938 938 v England, 27/03/1981
10.M.L. Hayden AUS 935 935 v England, 07/11/2002
10.J.H. Kallis SA 935 935 v New Zealand, 18/11/2007
12.Mohammad Yousuf PAK 933 933 v West Indies, 27/11/2006
13.R.G. Pollock SA 927 927 v Australia, 19/02/1970
13.E.D. Weekes WI 927 927 v New Zealand, 03/03/1956
15.K.D. Walters AUS 922 922 v South Africa, 19/02/1970
15.A.D. Nourse SA 922 922 v England, 07/06/1951
17.R.N. Harvey AUS 921 921 v South Africa, 06/02/1953
18.D.C.S. Compton ENG 917 917 v Australia, 08/07/1948
19.S.M. Gavaskar IND 916 916 v England, 30/08/1979
20.G.A. Headley WI 915 915 v England, 21/01/1948
21.K.F. Barrington ENG 914 914 v New Zealand, 08/07/1965
22.B.C. Lara WI 911 911 v South Africa, 02/01/2004
23.K.P. Pietersen ENG 909 909 v West Indies, 28/05/2007
24.M.E.K. Hussey AUS 908 908 v India, 16/01/2008
25.S.R. Tendulkar IND 898 898 v Zimbabwe, 21/02/2002
26.W.R. Hammond ENG 897 897 v New Zealand, 31/03/1933
27.S.R. Waugh AUS 895 895 v England, 03/07/1997
27.A. Flower ZIM 895 895 v South Africa, 14/09/2001
29.R. Dravid IND 892 892 v Pakistan, 16/03/2005
30.C.C. McDonald AUS 891 891 v Pakistan, 13/11/1959
31.H. Sutcliffe ENG 888 888 v Australia, 30/12/1932
32.C. Hill AUS 886 886 v South Africa, 08/11/1902
33.Javed Miandad PAK 885 885 v New Zealand, 24/02/1989
34.G.S. Chappell AUS 883 883 v Pakistan, 01/01/1977
35.W.M. Lawry AUS 878 878 v West Indies, 14/02/1969
36.A.R. Border AUS 877 877 v England, 27/08/1981
36.G.A. Faulkner SA 877 877 v Australia, 27/05/1912
38.R.B. Richardson WI 876 876 v India, 28/04/1989
38.M.P. Vaughan ENG 876 876 v Australia, 02/01/2003
40.R.B. Kanhai WI 875 875 v England, 22/08/1963
41.M.C. Cowdrey ENG 874 874 v New Zealand, 19/06/1958
41.A.C. Gilchrist AUS 874 874 v South Africa, 08/03/2002
43.G.A. Gooch ENG 873 873 v Pakistan, 23/07/1992
44.G.R. Viswanath IND 871 871 v Australia, 13/10/1979
45.Inzamam-ul-Haq PAK 870 870 v England, 29/11/2005
45.E.R. Dexter ENG 870 870 v Australia, 29/12/1962
47.V.S. Hazare IND 869 869 v Pakistan, 13/11/1952
48.A.I. Kallicharran WI 866 866 v Australia, 12/12/1975
49.Younis Khan PAK 856 856 v England, 04/08/2006
50.V. Sehwag IND 854 854 v South Africa, 28/11/2004
50.S.J. McCabe AUS 854 854 v England, 10/06/1938
50.A.L. Hassett AUS 854 854 v West Indies, 31/12/1951

gibbs_fan

Good points Acker. Also, Rachael you will notice that Sehwag is also in the top 50.

John

Wish he had been born in Cape Town.
Went about his job with such ease a true great.

acker

I dont know what Sehwag did wrong to the Indian selectors prior to the start of the tour.

Milo

Quote:

Originally Posted by acker

I dont know what Sehwag did wrong to the Indian selectors prior to the start of the tour.

Six single figure scores in eight test innings and twelve in 12 months. I saw him in South Africa and he clearly needed to be sent away for a rest (along with Gibbs). Hopefully he's come back a more consistent performer and not the player who scored 150 or nothing.

As for Gilchrist, we will not see his like again.

gibbs_fan

Quote:

Originally Posted by acker

I dont know what Sehwag did wrong to the Indian selectors prior to the start of the tour.

Maybe Rachael was an indian selector

Paoli

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rachael

I neither know Gilchrist's batting average.. nor care: what I do know is that Vaughan, Bell and Pietersen are vastly more accomplished batsmen - and that despite his weaknesses against spin, I'd take Cook or Strauss over Gilchrist as an opening batsman every single time, to say nothing of Collingwood or Shah as middle order options.

With that said... I take your point entirely if it's that Gilchrist is superior to other so-called specialist batsmen in Test cricket: not to the likes of Clarke, Chanderpaul and so on... but superior (for instance) to Symonds, Sehwag and Flintoff.

I've no quibbles with the claim that Gilchrist is the best no 7 batsman in the history of the game... and I don't think he should be excessively criticised as either as a backstop: I just feel that filling Healy's shoes was rather tougher!

I may have not posted for over a year but some things never change. What a load of rubbish! Who could turn a match the way that Adam Gilchrist could. As a keeper he may have been no more than "very good" or "good" even, but as a match winner in both forms of the game, nobody was better. The amount of times Gilchrist got Australia from 5/100 odd to 6-350 when he left the crease spoke volumes of the bloke.

An absolutely destructive batsman, and he'd be the 2nd best cricketer I've ever seen play the game, only behind Shane Warne. Revolutionised the art of wicketkeeping despite not being such a great keeper. Agree that Healy was an infinitely better gloveman but Gilly was still very good. His wicketkeeping fetes go largely unnoticed. He had very quick hands stumping wise, took a lot of great catches and stood up to the likes of McGrath/Stuey Clark occasionally.

Whether it was getting Australia to 0-150 off 20 in an ODI or getting them from 5-100 to 6-350, he'll be sorely missed. Warne/McGrath/Gilchrist - three irreplacables of this Australian team.

Aurelius

I've never been a great fan of Shane Warne's. but my opinion of him has now gone down a little further. During his tribute to Gilchrist, he just couldn't resist taking another shot at John Buchanan- the article can be found on the Surfer on CricInfo. Instead of celebrating the career of this great cricketer, he's just using his column to continue his childish rivalry with the ex-coach. Pathetic.

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