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Old 30-01-2008, 11:23 PM in reply to Scott-Wozniak's post starting "Had their problems? You seem to suggest..."
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Clark's good enough for another couple of years? He's only just come into the side for gods sake! Supposedly to replace McGrath but he's not exerting the same kind of control that McGrath had which isn't really that surprising. He's a very poor mans McGrath.
Really? At the moment I don't see that Clark is any worse than McGrath. Despite your protestations, Clark is just as accurate, if you'll look at his pitchmaps- in fact, he consistently bowls a tighter line than McGrath, so you can argue that he actually makes the batsmen play the ball more than McGrath ever did. On top of that, he's got a great bouncer, and he gets more swing. In short, in the form that he's in, I'd say that Clark is easily the equal of McGrath at his peak, and time will tell whether he can retain his form.
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Old 30-01-2008, 11:24 PM in reply to Rachael's post starting "I've been Lee's biggest critic for..."
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I've been Lee's biggest critic for years.. but he should be given the benefit of the doubt at present: he appears to have upped his game.
I know you have and I certainly recall defending Lee at some point! But and it's a big but, what impact did McGrath have on Lee? You and I both know that bowlers bowl in partnerships and in the same way that Ntini (another bowler I dislike quite intensely) benefitted hugely from bowling with Pollock, Lee has benefitted from bowling with McGrath.

Will be interesting to take a look at Lee's figures post and pre McGrath days.

Lee's always been better suited to ODI Cricket in my mind than Test Cricket and I beleive his stats support that.

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That's harsh: best bowler in the recent series by some way and for my money the best bowler in world cricket (pushed only by Hoggard and Asif).
I don't think it's harsh, but my point was, Clark is no McGrath and he never will be. He's done well so far in the games he's played in but I don't think he's really been tested yet. Take a look at his average against Bangladesh

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More like Mahmood
Well I think Mahmood has a part to play in England future, but he's too much of a liability at the moment to be selected, and England do need pace in their attack, but not without control.
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Old 30-01-2008, 11:28 PM in reply to Aurelius's post starting "Really? At the moment I don't see that..."
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Really? At the moment I don't see that Clark is any worse than McGrath.
He's played 15 games, lets see how he's doing after 50 if he's still around, and lets see how he does in a LOSING Australia side rather than a peacock strutting arrogant one.
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Old 31-01-2008, 12:54 AM in reply to Scott-Wozniak's post starting "He's played 15 games, lets see how he's..."
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He's played 15 games, lets see how he's doing after 50 if he's still around, and lets see how he does in a LOSING Australia side rather than a peacock strutting arrogant one.
(a) He is in his thirties and I think he has a good realisation he will probably only have another 3 years in him, and that his spot will be pressured by Ben Hilfenhaus, Peter Siddle and Doug Bollinger.

(b) I doubt that with exception to your dreams Australia will go from 16 straight wins to 16 straight losses. A "LOSING" Australian side will probably be winning more games than some of the over pumped perpetual "gonna fire someday" sides that seem to be in a never ending state of re-building.
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Old 02-02-2008, 04:40 AM in reply to Scott-Wozniak's post starting "Had their problems? You seem to suggest..."
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Lee's good enough for another couple of years? *chuckle* Lee's problem isn't his his age it's his inconsistency and waywardness - he's just as likely to get it wrong as he is to get it right and if he gets it wrong - he goes for runs.
This is the number 1 criticism launched against Australia's bowling attack by people who haven't actually watched Australia play for the last 5 years. Lee consistently bowls a good line and length these days at good pace, and ever since the 05 ASHES series he's been a top class test bowler taking 108 wickets at an average of 24.02 (not including his matches against Bangladesh and the World team), and taking 46 wickets at 20.37 post McGrath and Warne. The criticisms that he's inconsistent, wayward and is a two length bowler have been obsolete for a couple of years now. He's not nearly as wayward as bloody Johnson, who hasn't really made the step up from an economical one-day bowler to a wicket-taking test bowler.

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I'd agree Johnson is probably the most talented out of the current bunch of Australian fast bowlers, but he's still young and inexperienced and only time will tell as to how he'll develop.
I'm actually liking the look of Hilfenhaus and Bollinger more than Johnson, but I may be a little biased there.

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Tait is just as bad as Lee in terms of inconsistency.
Far worse, and you're doing Lee a severe injustice.
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