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Old 22-02-2008, 12:39 AM in reply to Scott-Wozniak's post starting "Then ask yourself a couple of..."
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Then ask yourself a couple of questions. How long has Cricket been played? Ill give you a clue, it started around the turn of the 17th century. Now ask yourself why 'sledging' has suddenly become an 'issue', over and above the fact that fairly recently a prominent Indian player was in trouble for it.
No ******!

I could never have put the 2 together!

You keep acting as if I'm not aware of these things.

Twice now you've mentioned the assumption that I'll deny things because it doesn't suit me to do so.

No proof at all but, hey, since I don't agree with your way of thinking, you might as well resort to insults.

You fail to understand that I do not care why this issue is now in the mix.

However, I do care that I wish to remove this scourge nicknamed "sledging" from the game.

It is of no concern to me who brings the motion.

Though, your track record (that phrase again) shows that who brings the motion is really important to you.

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Oh please, your naivety and willingness to swallow the 'spin' the ICC wants to feed you knows no bounds.
Yes and out of the very same ICC executive meeting the 2011 World Cup will probably become shorter in terms of games and days.

But I suggest some people actually AGREE with that.

So, if that actually comes to pass, will I be wilfully naive for believing maybe every board agreed with that decision?

Or is it only the "bad" decisions we have a problem with?

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You know as well as I do (or at least you shoud, but no doubt you'll deny it, because it suits you to do so) that the ICC NEVER acts swiftly on anything. It creates committees to investigate the facts and to consider possible changes and this can sometimes take years to complete. Yet, on this issue the ICC acts within months if not weeks with no consultation, no committees just a recomendation from the BCCI!
I take it you don't know that an ICC Executives meeting just took place in Malaysia.

ICC Chief Executives’ Committee makes recommendations to ICC Board | ICC Cricket News

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The two-day ICC Chief Executives' Committee (CEC) meeting concluded in Kuala Lumpur on Wednesday (20 February) with several recommendations to be made to the ICC Board at its next meeting in March.
The Member countries have agreed that ICC will take a zero-tolerance approach to inappropriate public comment and abusive behaviour by players, team officials and individual Member Board members, in accordance with the ICC Code of Conduct.........................
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The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) confirmed that international commitments would always take priority over IPL. No-objection certificates will be required from respective Member Boards as a condition of all players’ participation.

There has been media speculation about creating a window within the Future Tours Programme (FTP) for IPL matches. The FTP is in place until 2012 and there was no suggestion by the BCCI that such a window should be considered or created prior to that.
But they are the BCCI so obviously must be lying

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The Code already outlaws “public criticism of, or inappropriate comment on a match-related incident or match official” and also “using language that is obscene, offensive or of a seriously insulting nature to another player, umpire, referee, team official or spectator”.

Recent cases of inappropriate public comment by players, team and Board officials were discussed at the meeting.

“I welcome the Members’ commitment to the enforcement of the Code,” said Mr Speed. “I will be writing to umpires and referees, as well as Member country CEOs, next week to inform them officially of this decision.”

The CEC comprises the chief executives or their equivalent of the 10 ICC Full Members and three representatives from ICC Associate Members. It is chaired by the ICC Chief Executive. The chairman of the ICC Cricket Committee was also in attendance at the meeting.
So much for there was no committee but I don't know why they are sending it to the ICC Board. Everybody knows BCCI get their own way

How spineless must your ECB representative be that he went into that Chief Executive meeting and had to agree with everything the BCCI wanted and without having a vote?
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Old 22-02-2008, 12:50 AM in reply to Ernest's post starting "Ninjaman I have , and have come to the..."
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Ninjaman I have , and have come to the conclusion that the ICC have now lost the plot completely.
Your conclusion to make

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First they take all authority away from umpire, then give them the job of policing a jumble of words.
Well they haven't taken authority from umpires (no matter how many times you choose to claim they have) and when did sledging become a jumble of words.

If its such a jumble how comes so many people are able to quote such wonderful retorts to all these sledges?

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See what I mean? - umpiring on the hoof.I can see confusion and tantrums galore when a matter like this has been left to the discretion of the umpires with no authority or credibility left.
I thought you were one of the main people who want the umpires to be able to use their discretion.

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With respect Ninjaman - if "meaningless banter" is still going to be allowed, then how can the ICC take a Zero-tolerance approach
Here's the ICC's full press release.

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The Member countries have agreed that ICC will take a zero-tolerance approach to inappropriate public comment and abusive behaviour by players, team officials and individual Member Board members, in accordance with the ICC Code of Conduct
None of that falls under "meaningless banter"

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Why can't the ICC just leave well alone?.
Because there is this little thing called an ICC Chief Executive Committee where the individual members have had a vote on a motion.

Unless you believe there is leeway for abusive behaviour after all its always been in cricket!
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Old 22-02-2008, 10:10 PM in reply to Ninjaman's post starting "Your conclusion to make Well they..."
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Well they haven't taken authority from umpires (no matter how many times you choose to claim they have
No: Well what happened to Hair and Bucknor? - I would say umpires live in fear of the ICC in the event that they get a decision wrong, or their face does not fir with the ICC>
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and when did sledging become a jumble of words.[...]If its such a jumble how comes so many people are able to quote such wonderful retorts to all these sledges?
I did not say the sledges are a jumble of words - I said this:-
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First they take all authority away from umpire, then give them the job of policing a jumble of words.
Perhaps I could have made myself more clear. Please read below for what I mean as "jumble".

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I thought you were one of the main people who want the umpires to be able to use their discretion.
Ninjaman look at your post #78, and read below.
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"It will still be very much up to the umpires to decide where that line is."[...]
"The member countries have agreed that ICC will take a zero-tolerance approach," said an ICC statement.
I really do think that the umpires have an impossible task deciding where the "line is" - when the ICC have stated that they will take a "zero tolerance approach" on sledging.
How on Earth can an umpire interprete "zero tolerance" - which means just that.

No the ICC statement is so garbled that umpires sooner or later will fall foul of teams, and captains and administrators of teams - if they are to umpire to these ICC rules:-
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"What might be deemed acceptable in the first over of a Test match between two teams[...] may not be acceptable in the fifth Test because of things that have gone on.[...] That is where common sense comes in.
That Ninjaman is trying to stretch common sense to far, do you really expect players to accept the above - rules need to be consistent.
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Old 26-02-2008, 09:15 PM in reply to Ninjaman's post starting "No ******! I could never have put the..."
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And off the BCCI go again -

"The whole thing is started by the Australian players."

Yes of course it is, the Indian players are complete angels and cherubs aren't they?

Source: BBC SPORT | Cricket | India act over Aussie 'sledging'
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Old 15-03-2008, 12:18 AM in reply to Scott-Wozniak's post starting "And off the BCCI go again - "The..."
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I don't want everyone to get carried away here, but read this:

Associates' World Cup plans scuppered - Beyond the Test World at Cricinfo

A perfectly reasonable WC format recognised by the ICC, so that the Associates get to play relatively strong opposition, but the WC proper isn't too full and clogged up by weak countries. And it ain't gonna happen, because the BCCI want their proposal to be selected- maybe out of spite, or maybe simply because they don't wan to recognise another upset. I don't know. But I hope that something similar can be put into place for the next edition.

And it does relate to the original question. What would I do? I'd put the Associates' proposal into practise.
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Old 02-04-2008, 04:50 PM in reply to Aurelius's post starting "I don't want everyone to get carried..."
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And it does relate to the original question. What would I do? I'd put the Associates' proposal into practise.
What do you expect Aurelius? The BCCI, want and have virtually got control now of the ICC, as I've been saying on here for as long as I can remember. Look at this -

"The plan was well received by a few Full Members, but when it came to a vote the proposal was rejected. It is believed that the Indian representatives lobbied hard to have anything other than the 14-team plan put forward by the BCCI turned down."

You may also want to have a read of this -

BBC SPORT | Mihir Bose

So it seems it's only myself and Mihir Bose that thinks the ICC is now being run by the BCCI, and who's this special adviser they've appointed from the BCCI panel?

I wonder how they managed to get Hair voted off the Elite Panel - by the same tactics do you think, by lobbying all the full members countries?

And the South Africans covering up Zimbabwe's falsified accounts is nothing short of scandalous. I hope the British government sticks to it's guns and refuses Chingoka entry, I couldn't care less if England lose the T20 World Cup.

Why don't they just change the ICC letters to stand for Indian Cricket Club.

I fear for the future of International Cricket I really do.

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