Hide/show banner
Fantasy Cricket

Welcome to the World-A-Team Cricket Forum. We promote friendly, good-natured, quality cricket discussion.
Go Back   World A-Team Cricket Forum > International Test Cricket > ITC Archived Threads 2004
Sitemap Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Contact Us Chat Room Shoutbox News Podcasts Fantasy Cricket

 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 17-10-2004, 04:03 AM in reply to fair_&_balance's post starting "Nice article ..Thanks for link Nikhil...."
sanz sanz is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
My other team/s: India
Posts: 23
I dont like it and as Ian Chappel said 'Hypocrisy is alive and well'. I was okay with Gilchrist walking but Kaspa was embarrassing the umpire. I wish Yuvraj, Ganguly and Patel haven't fallen to that trick.
__________________
Life is not always fair but it is balanced.  
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 17-10-2004, 11:39 AM in reply to sanz's post starting "I dont like it and as Ian Chappel said..."
Occasional Fan Occasional Fan is offline
Moderator
(NZ-captain) Passed Martin Crowe's 5444 Test runs
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Prague, Czech Republic
My main national team: England
Posts: 5,511
David Shepherd always has red cheeks. I don't for a moment think he was embarrassed. Surprised, maybe: embarrassed, never.
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 17-10-2004, 12:32 PM in reply to Occasional Fan's post starting "David Shepherd always has red cheeks. ..."
Occasional Fan Occasional Fan is offline
Moderator
(NZ-captain) Passed Martin Crowe's 5444 Test runs
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Prague, Czech Republic
My main national team: England
Posts: 5,511
And even mentioned in the leader from today's edition of The Observer. See this link.
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 17-10-2004, 12:42 PM in reply to Occasional Fan's post starting "And even mentioned in the leader from..."
R W S's Avatar
R W S R W S is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
My main national team: None - I support cricket in general
Posts: 1,279
Post Ex-England Captain

That confirmed non-walker Mike Atherton has a lot to say about walking. Here's an extract from the full article which is available at the Sunday Telegraph here (you may need to register, it's free, in order to read the full piece)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Atherton
So what's the problem, you might ask? If everyone walked, if everyone appealed only when they knew it was out, if everyone was 100 per cent honest then it would be a better game. Umpires would become mere bean counters, and judges of lbws, and the game would become a self-governing idyll. Just as I typed those words I looked up and saw a couple of pigs flying over the Chidambaram Stadium.

The reality is that sportsmen are not like that, never have been. In life very few things are black and white, leaving only shades of grey: we might regard ourselves as decent law-abiding citizens even though we routinely break the speed limit. So it is in sport, where different games demand a different adherence to the rules or laws. For myself, I was a confirmed non-walker and could easily live with the fact that I was asking an umpire to perform a job he is paid to do. I didn't, and still don't, regard that as cheating.
__________________

  #15 (permalink)  
Old 17-10-2004, 12:46 PM in reply to Occasional Fan's post starting "David Shepherd always has red cheeks. ..."
R W S's Avatar
R W S R W S is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
My main national team: None - I support cricket in general
Posts: 1,279
Talking Shepherd encouraged by walking

A nice turn of phrase from Shep!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunday Telegraph
Two of the batsmen, Adam Gilchrist and Jason Gillespie, walked before the umpire could raise his finger, so obvious were the edges. The third, Michael Kasprowicz, watched the umpire, David Shepherd, shake his head, say not out, call the over and start to walk to square leg before Kasprowicz's conscience got the better of him and he, too, turned on his heels and made the long trek back to the pavilion.
Shepherd was absolutely dumbfounded: he planted both hands firmly on his hips, puffed out his ruddy cheeks, stared at the non-striker, Simon Katich, and mouthed: "Bugger me, he's walked."
__________________

  #16 (permalink)  
Old 17-10-2004, 09:01 PM in reply to Occasional Fan's post starting "And even mentioned in the leader from..."
Maranello's Avatar
Maranello Maranello is offline
Moderator
WAT Pakistan A Selector
WAT selector - England A 2005
(PAK-captain) Passed Mushtaq Mohammad's 3643 Test runs
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Dubai
My main national team: Pakistan
Posts: 3,700
'We play hard but fair and accept all umpiring decisions as a mark of respect for our opponents, the umpires, ourselves and the game."

According to the Observer Leader today, that's the code of conduct drawn up Kaspa, Gilly and the rest for Australian cricket...


I wonder...where does sledging and appealing for non-existent edges fit into this Moral Code?
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 18-10-2004, 08:22 AM in reply to Maranello's post starting "'We play hard but fair and accept all..."
Glamorgan Wanderer Glamorgan Wanderer is offline
WAT selector - England A 2005
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Reading
My main national team: England
My other team/s: Glamorgan
Posts: 452
It doesn't really bother me either way to be honest. The instances when players who don't walk get away with it (so to speak) will be balanced out when decisions don't go in their favour when they should do.

I'm not sure that things today are very different to how they were in the past and that there is a great deal of gazing back upon supposed halcyon days through rose-tinted specs. I am sure that there has never been a time when every batsman walked and bowlers/fielders never appealed speculatively.

"They're here to watch me bat, not you bowl" or words to that effect.
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 18-10-2004, 01:21 PM in reply to Occasional Fan's post starting "Agree with everything except your first..."
Scott-Wozniak Scott-Wozniak is offline
(PAK-captain) Passed Wasim Bari's 1366 Test runs
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Surrey
My other team/s: England and Surrey
Posts: 1,382
Quote:
Originally Posted by Occasional Fan
If you know you clipped the ball - and usually I think batsmen do know, don't they? - then it is not only unsporting to stand your ground, it is cheating.
OF

Whilst I respect your opinion on this, sometimes one has to look at the wider implications that walking or not walking creates. I have been and continue to be a big admirer of Nasser Hussain, and naturally when his autobiography came out I bought it. In it he relates a story early in his career playing a game for England where he nicked a ball, and knew he nicked it, but was given not out. He then went on to make a hundred and virtually confirmed his place in the England side, and the rest as we say is history. What might have happened to Nasser Hussain and his England career had he been given out that time? This just proves that in Cricket, just like any other sport, you sometimes need that little bit of luck that it takes to be successful. Remember, Hussain was plagued by a rediculous run of poor decisions against him towards the end of his England career, which more than made up for some of the decisions that went in his favour.

Batsmen have no comeback when they're given out incorrectly, and simply have to accept the decision, likewise, they are quite within their rights to stand their ground on an 'appeal' and await the umpires decision, I do not see this as 'cheating' merely playing the game according to the Cricket Laws.

I beleive 'walking or not walking' is moralistic decision that each individual needs to decide themselves.

Incidentaly, Hussain's autobiography is a fascinating read.
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 18-10-2004, 01:36 PM in reply to Scott-Wozniak's post starting "OF Whilst I respect your opinion on..."
Occasional Fan Occasional Fan is offline
Moderator
(NZ-captain) Passed Martin Crowe's 5444 Test runs
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Prague, Czech Republic
My main national team: England
Posts: 5,511
All fair comments, Scott. As GW said above, there has probably never been an era in cricket when all batsmen walked if they knew they were out and no bowlers ever made speculative appeals. The world might just be a bit too perfect if that had been the case (though there would always have been a few other wrinkles to iron out!). I'm sure, though, that Nass must have looked into his conscience, even if only for a second, and maybe found it a little less white than Gilchrist (only on this specific issue: Gilchrist himself is no angel, I guess).

I might pick up Nasser's book when I am next in England. The Guardian reviews it this morning, somewhat unkindly saying at the end that Hussain is troubled by many things, including the English language. I mean to say - that's a bit thick coming from The Grauniad!
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 18-10-2004, 01:58 PM in reply to Occasional Fan's post starting "All fair comments, Scott. As GW said..."
Ernest's Avatar
Ernest Ernest is offline
Administrator
WAT England A Selector
Selector-World XI (1980 onwards)
(WI-captain) Passed Brian Lara's 11953 Test runs
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Lancashire
My main national team: None - I support cricket in general
My other team/s: ::All "Test" Playing Nations
Posts: 13,615
Send a message via Yahoo to Ernest Send a message via Skype™ to Ernest
Cricket OF in my opinion is a game of chance, how many times does a player think he has been given out on an unjust LBW call, or knew he had not nicked the ball.

Not walking just levels up the playing field, umpires job to lift his finger.IMHO.

Ern
__________________
Ern
 


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT. The time now is 11:15 AM.

Page generated in 0.556 seconds (68.71% PHP - 31.29% MySQL) with 13 queries

Partner Sites: - pakistancricketzone.com | Fantasy Cricket | Cricket World Cup Images | Cricket 24/7 | Third Umpire | Indian Cricket League

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.0.0