The Murali throwing controversy continues ....

[Maranello]

Originally Posted by Paoli69

And, as i have said so many times, and i say again, Murali will have that proverbial asterix beside his name in the history books.

No he will not Paoli69, which record book or cricket history book has this proverbial asterix? None, since both records and objective history record facts, not opinions.

[Beny]

In the meantime, comparing Warne and Murali in the Aus-SL series from last year is probably not a good basis - Murali had the world's best batting line-up to contend with and take wickets of, Warne only had a couple of decent Test batsmen who he was attacking, and the rest were a few ODI-type sloggers who are not even Test class, let alone Ponting or Gilchrist class.

Ahh yess point taken... Of course we could probebly come up with a million veriables for every different situation.

[Hondo]

Originally Posted by Paoli69

Hondo, I'm stating my case at why Warne will always be the better bowler than Murlai.

if I recall it was Australia that cancelled the tour of of Zimbabwe. That was the players and ACB choice. If Warne played in these matches I'm sure he would have taken wickets as well.

And once again, I'm not sure why this isn't getting through to your head. Doosra isn't isn't illegal. I have shown evidence for this as well. You keep claiming that it is illegal but got no proof to back it up. Is it that so hard to comprehend.

[Paoli]

Originally Posted by Maranello

not opinions.

Are you saying that the "Murali chucks" belief is one only held by anglo-saxons?

And that is only my opinion. I could be wrong, I could be right.

And Hondo, science cannot blatantly prove something. It can support something to the nth degree, but nothing can ever be proven.

[Ernest]

I dont know what the argument is, both Murali and Warne are fine bowlers, so what's the problem?,does Murali chuck?.
Answer I dont know, but I doubt it is a deleberite cheat, proof has been offered, you don't have to believe it, but it is there, I am on record on this forum, that Murali should be left in peace.

I can't be sure, Warne did not take his mums pills, with the intention of cheating, but I would doubt it very much, and I am on record as saying that OTHER, than on this thread, read my earlier posts.

[Zainub]

Originally Posted by Beny

Exactly... If anything Warne is stupid for not getting it checked out but seriously, you wouldent think that it would be illegal.

...certainly not when you mum insists you should have it...[]

...on a serious note though I think Warnie should have known better - and coming and blaming the thing down on her mum was very naive - stupid even.

...I also think Warnie-Murali comparisons are all needless, they're uncomparable in my view simply because they are 2 very different type of bowlers - if I was picking a world eleven right now I'd pick both.

...On a side note to the whole thing, on a team context you have to give Murali some credit in the respect that he has been for years (still is perhaps) Sri Lanka's only truely match winning bowler. Unlike Warnie who had the privellage of bowling along side Dizzy, Pigeon and generally in very successful teams, Murali often bowled along side people far, far below his calibre, therefore trying to maintain pressure must be twice as much as difficult for him than Warnie.

Sri Lanka do have Vaas who does shoulder the responsibility as bit as well, especially in recent times, but he is at his reliable and consistent performer, who will bowl crucial spells at various times, but a match winner? No, not at least in the class of some one like Glenn McGrath who Warnie has bowled in tandem with in many of Australia's soo many test victories over the last decade or so.

Warnie sometimes got wickets partly because of the pressure created at the other end, and by the whole attack in general, it worked both ways...sometimes Warnie created the pressure and Pigeon got the wickets ...and at other times vice versa...in short Warnie had the advantage of playing in a very good test side, the greatest ever a/c to some people. Murali didn't have that liverage, he had to do it all on his own.

Both great bowlers, as I said before also, and automatic candidates for any World XI side, but Murali certainly has had to work much harder for his success over the years, at least that is what it seems like apparently. No wonder Murali's never had drugs or got propblems with his wife because of certain South African lady suing him for improper conduct...when you're a man expected to shoulder as much responsibily as he does, you don't have time to do stupidish kind of things off the field

[Paoli]

Very true Zainub. Even Punter came out and said that he was stupid.

[Zainub]

Originally Posted by Paoli69

Very true Zainub. Even Punter came out and said that he was stupid.

Congrats on your 3-0 drubbing of us Paoli - I'm in awe of you guys. Literally.

I've always opined that Warnie is stupid - no offence intended obviously - but his off the field antics are totally daft more often then not...there have been countless examples...taking maney from bookmakers in Sri Lanka...and then saying "it was with no strings attached"...the one inccident with a Britisn Nurse that cost him his vice captaincy...then this "my mum gave it to me" claim regarding the drug he took...and a whole lot of other things I don't even remember...he's such a great bowler though those things just don't matter, but it does prove though, that he is stupid.

[Beny]

Warne is not stupid. First of all he's probebly one of the best thinkers in the game today. Secondly his percived off feild antics are hardly worse than those of other players. Most of the problems he's had have been people who want to extort money from either him or CA.

[Hasib]

A hundred years from now ppl r going to look back as Murali the greatest Spinner of his time (and greatest ever if someone doesn't get beta than him) and during that time a lotta ppl were jealous of this and were against him... end of story.