The ICC- Are they racist???

[Paoli]

Agreed Ern, the ICC are not immoral....they are amoral; unaware of anything that isn't cricket and they are the most one dimensional governing body in the world, perhaps with the exception of F1

[Seamer]

Originally Posted by Ernest

Not racism IMHO, just that they are not capable of reading a situation, they are incompetent, at best, moranic at other times, IMO they are not fit to govern world cricket.
They show their incompetence to every race.

Amen to that. The ICC is almost as bad as the UN. Both bodies should be disbanded and replaced .

[Zainub]

UN is worse me thinks. At least the ICC exercises some power over its memebers, the UN does nothing close to doing that. It just sits and watch.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Ernest

Not racism IMHO, just that they are not capable of reading a situation, they are incompetent, at best, moranic at other times, IMO they are not fit to govern world cricket.
They show their incompetence to every race.

Too true.

I know some guys are abit pis**d off about it, but i'm kinda pleased. It's good to see that the ICC have done something about someone chucking so soon after he'd been cleared / new rules were implimented.

So many times before they've got someone to do remedial work or whatever and then they've let them come back into cricket and continuously chuck again without saying a word.

[Robb]

Zainub,

Yes. James Kirtly is still with Sussex.

[Maranello]

No they are not. One has to appreciate that the ICC is quite distinct from the MCC, and whilst the latter has had its fair share of controversy on racial issues and daft policies, the former (ie the ICC) is definitely a multinational and multiracial organisation. Its obsession with men of dubious past such as Chris Broad notwithstanding, the ICC does a reasonable job in difficult circumstances, and gets nothing but flak from the various boards and fans for it; it's Indians shouting at the ICC one day, Australians the second, Pakistanis the third and the English the next...! Those who want it replaced or disbanded should come up with a detailed alternative which is visibly better; easy to carp from the sidelines, much harder to be constructive.

Originally Posted by Paoli69

PAKISTAN: Mohammad Hafeez, Shoaib Akhtar

And we can add Shabbir Ahmed, Shoaib Malik, Tariq Mehmood, and a few others Pakistanis too who have been called for throwing. Most of them, like Murali and Brett Lee, had visibly "unusual" actions, so were correctly called, though what do I know!

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Paoli69

they are amoral; unaware of anything that isn't cricket and they are the most one dimensional governing body in the world, perhaps with the exception of F1

That is right, they can't seem to adapt to new situations.

Originally Posted by Seamer 42439

Amen to that. The ICC is almost as bad as the UN. Both bodies should be disbanded and replaced .

True, the problem with talking shops, is nothing ends up getting done, at best we end up with botched up compromise, but the ICC faced with real issues way past the boundry rope, they are impotent.
I would like to add the EU to your list.

Originally Posted by Zainub Razvi 42442

At least the ICC exercises some power over its memebers, the UN does nothing close to doing that. It just sits and watch.

I wonder what would happen if the ICCC members had power of veto???

Originally Posted by Pete

So many times before they've got someone to do remedial work or whatever and then they've let them come back into cricket and continuously chuck again without saying a word.

I agree to a large degree, I think that the ICC let things go to far before acting, Murali is the best example of a actual farce, make one hell of a film.

Originally Posted by Maranello 42451

the ICC does a reasonable job in difficult circumstances, and gets nothing but flak from the various boards and fans for it; it's Indians shouting at the ICC one day, Australians the second, Pakistanis the third and the English the next.

Well Maranello if the ICC is that good, why do it's members keep complaining, they are not consistent in the way they handle individual nations, they are to inward looking to be able to solve a problem like England had to face over Zimbabwe, they could not see or understand what the players were thinking, they just sat in their individual ivory towers, and did nothing, they are imoptent in general, and incompitent at best.

Originally Posted by Maranello

Those who want it replaced or disbanded should come up with a detailed alternative which is visibly better; easy to carp frome sidelines, much harder to be constructive.

You see Maranello ordinary people like us are in no possition to do anything about anything, we just have to sit back and watch while the ICC just lets matters drift.
I will be constructive, on a report on any matter, they should act at once, not take an age discussing, then take a vote, and a simple 50% + one and the matter would be over, one appeal, then no other for 12 months.
Things would then get done, but rather a new body not the ICC to oversee international cricket.
On matters like Zimbabwe, or India Pakistan, a regional commitee could sit who knew about the situation first hand, and would be able to act in an expert matter.

Everyone may not agree, but I am being constructive, and certainly not carping, but it will never happen, because I like all other supporters are on the sidelines.

[Zainub]

Originally Posted by Ernest

I wonder what would happen if the ICCC members had power of veto???

That's a rather distressing thought, I'm not bothering to contemplate.

[Paoli]

Twas' constructive Ern, I don't know why governing bodies are so incompetent....

The ICC and the ECB's handling of the Zimbabwe issue was terrible. Why should England go to a country where they are clearly not wanted...The Queen, Prince Phillip, Tony Blair, Jack Straw (who incidentally shook Mugabe's hand not long ago) and many other British politicians are on the banned list for Zimbabwe...How long before Michael Vaughan and Duncan Fletcher (the ex Zimbo) are on that list???

[Zainub]

On the subject of governing bodies, incompetent ones that is, so far our list has included the ICC, UN, EURO, ECB, namely every other cricket board (probably for the exception of the sri lankan and banladeshi one) ...please add the UEAFA, FIFA and FA to that list, don't forget the WTA and ATP, the world anti doping agency and many other ogranisations I must be forgetting right now...which makes me think can anyone actually come up with an oraganiasation that is not incompetent ?????