2nd Test: England v Bangladesh: Chester-le-Street 2-6 June

[Kirsty Harris]

Originally Posted by Pete

Shame on Vaughan too, he should have called back the guy when they saw it on the big screen.

I haven't had the chance to see it yet, as the highlights won't be on till past midnight, but I don't think there is much Vaughan can do once the batsmen has been given out, is there?

[Pete]

I dunno. I don't think there's anything the umpires can do, but i'm sure i've heard of captains calling back players.

[Andy Mellon]

An umpire can call a batsman back if the batsman walks. The umpire can then call the batsman back as he has walking under a misapprehension.

A captain can ask an umpire for an appeal from a player not to stand if he believes it isn't in keeping with the spirit of the game. This most often applies if a fielder appeals for Timed Out, Hit the Ball Twice or Obstructing the Field. Under these circumstances, the appeal is withdrawn and no decision has to be made.

Therefore, if an umpire has given the player out, even if the captain or the umpire then recieves information informing them that the decision was wrong, I believe that the batsman cannot return as the dismissal has already been made.

[Alison]

I'm watching the highlights now, and I've just watched the replays of that catch, I really don't think anyone can say either way for certain from what the tv cameras showed. There was a certain amount of bounce, and it could have bounced fractionally in front, but it could also have bounced from the end of Jones' gloves into them. I just don't think anyone could say for certain which it was, and I know that a while ago C4 did an 'experiment'? where they held the ball at various heights above the ground and showed what the normal tv cameras would show and they were able to hold the ball some way off the ground and it still appeared from the cameras to be touching the ground.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Pete

England's bowling wasn't all that better today

And what the f*ck was up with Jonesy claiming a catch that bounced? Shame on Vaughan too, he should have called back the guy when they saw it on the big screen.

Yeah Pete, but what about the plumb LBWs that were not given, WOW the unluckiest bowler ever gets some luck at last.
These things have a manner of = ing themselves out.

[John]

I don't think we can read anything into Englands performance against Bangledesh. The only thing I can go by is their performance against SA in the winter which was good enough but didn't look the stuff of beating the Aussies.
As for G. Jones "catch" well thats professional sport like everthing else we take it warts and all. We don't have much choice.

Has anyone seen the Sky advert about the coming Australian tour. It's the well worn theme of the Aussie criminals being deported from England Shane Warne in this case. Now that took a lot thinking! I hope Channel Four resists such nonesense.

[Hampshire Rose]

Am I the only one who thought England's bowling was, with the exception of a few good deliveries, rather below par? Admittedly I had a side-on view but I thought Hoggard and Harmison looked particularly lacklustre, although Hoggard seemed to get into it a bit after his late wicket. I take nothing away from Bangladesh, who batted well and with some thought that wasn't there before - Dav Whatmore has obviously done a good job on them, but the England bowlers at times seemed to think the wickets were going to fall regardless.

[Mongoose]

Originally Posted by John

I don't think we can read anything into Englands performance against Bangledesh. The only thing I can go by is their performance against SA in the winter which was good enough but didn't look the stuff of beating the Aussies.

Absolutely agree. Remember, when SA were 2nd in the world, Australia pummelled them. It's a completely different game against the Aussies. You can maybe afford one bad session in a whole test match. Against SA, England got away with a couple of bad days sometimes.

Originally Posted by John

As for G. Jones "catch" well thats professional sport like everthing else we take it warts and all. We don't have much choice.

Well, we can criticise and complain and make it clear we don't like seeing that kind of stuff. Maybe some of the criticism will stick, and some players might take notice and act accordingly. I'd like to see a lot more 'sport' in sport. When people play in a sporting way it creates a much more enjoyable atmosphere for players and viewers alike.

Originally Posted by John

Has anyone seen the Sky advert about the coming Australian tour. It's the well worn theme of the Aussie criminals being deported from England Shane Warne in this case. Now that took a lot thinking! I hope Channel Four resists such nonesense.

It's ridiculous and pretty insulting actually - and I'm not an Aussie! I just hope someone has the good sense to pull the ad and use another one. Surely they'd be better focusing on it as the battle between the best in the world and the pretenders to the crown?

[Zainub]

I'm tired of all the B'desh test status debate, I'd much rather talk about this test. Whilst all the discussion about Bangladesh's test status has continued, Bangladesh have made some admirable and long awaited progress at Durham, they've put on board they're biggest total ever against England, with 297-8, and have also taken the match into the 3rd day.

For once my England soft spot is well and truely out of the way, and this afternoon I'd be hoping the Bangladeshi tail enders along with the young Aftab Ahmed (not out on 60 something and is only 19 years of age) frustrate England big time. Not many people have noticed but the Tigers are just 60 odd runs from making England bat again. Avoiding an innings defeat would be a massive achievement for a side that no body thought would bat more then 40 overs, let alone anything else. Perhaps, this has given the B'desh basher some food for thought.

Go Tigers.

[Occasional Fan]

It's actually only 46 more runs to level the score, Zainub. I agree with you that Bangladesh have done really well in this second innings. I see a couple of comments above about the England bowlers being below par: well, that's the way the cookie crumbles, isn't it? For Bangladesh to pick up 46 off their last two wickets this morning would be a huge achievement. I can't honestly see it happening, but as I said somewhere on the previous page, I would like it to. There's no question that the Aussies will be looking at this match in astonishment, and England themselves will be unhappy not to have shown the Aussies that they can win matches in two days: surely that is exactly what Michael Vaughan had in mind when he declared yesterday at lunch. If England have to play a second innings, the Aussies will not be able to make any more capital out of that than they probably already are making, England will still win the match and Bangladesh will achieve a huge psychological boost - i.e. no-one loses anything, and Bangladesh gain something. So, if the tail wags, I shall be happy for them.