Strauss: Australia has lost it's aura

[Aussie-Yank]

Originally Posted by Notts Exile

He's a batsman, that's always the case.

Should the Aussies lose they will all be eating huge slices of humble pie. They haven't played like world beaters, remember how lowly ranked England are in ODI cricket!! England have punhced above their weight thus far, should we do that in the Tests they'll win!

Yes thats true, batsmens job is to make runs - not to make a comment that could back fire on him and on England.

By the way, relying on the rankings system is a bit floored. If I remeber correctly England where runners up in the last ODI tournament (ICC Champions Trophy) nocking Australia out of the tournament to reach the final. So Stating England are lowly ranked does not mean anything.

[flanflinger]

Originally Posted by Aussie-Yank

nocking Australia out of the tournament to reach the final. So Stating England are lowly ranked does not mean anything.

An Aussie talking up England on this board.... wow there is a giant pig flying past my window to.. oh and I just heard - hell has just frozen over...

[Aussie-Yank]

Originally Posted by flanflinger

An Aussie talking up England on this board.... wow there is a giant pig flying past my window to.. oh and I just heard - hell has just frozen over...

Just covering ones back side if England have a belter in the first test.

[IslandKev]

One day stats dont mean anything in real tests. Just check Michael Vaughans average. You crims are in for serious problems. And you know it

[Aussie-Yank]

Originally Posted by IslandKev

One day stats dont mean anything in real tests. Just check Michael Vaughans average. You crims are in for serious problems. And you know it

True, and Vaughan has an average of 63.30 against Australia. Which was made from the 5 tests in Australia in the 2003 Ashes tour. He has fared even better against the Indian's with an average of 90.12. The problem for him is when you look at the latest test series that he has played in;

New Zealand = 23.88
Zimbabwe = 14.00
South Africa = 30.72

If I was England I would start worring about his form, as an avergae 2 years ago is not not what you want to be going into the Ashes with. I think with Vaughan, he was playing very well until the world bowlers started to find his weaknesses and he has struggled to correct his actions to remedy this.

[flanflinger]

Originally Posted by Aussie-Yank

I think with Vaughan, he was playing very well until the world bowlers started to find his weaknesses and he has struggled to correct his actions to remedy this.

What weakness have the discovered. If you had actually watched him bat you will know his big weakness is trying to smash an odinary bowler out of the attack...I also note you omit his stats in better series's ...

he has played since the last Aus tour

29Test scored 1844 at 39.23 with 6 hundreds?

Not quite as good as during the Ashes, but still not shabby, especailly as you point out he has had some lean series

[Aussie-Yank]

Originally Posted by flanflinger

What weakness have the discovered. If you had actually watched him bat you will know his big weakness is trying to smash an odinary bowler out of the attack...I also note you omit his stats in better series's ...

he has played since the last Aus tour

29Test scored 1844 at 39.23 with 6 hundreds?

Not quite as good as during the Ashes, but still not shabby, especailly as you point out he has had some lean series

Yes, the reason I didn't take the statistics that way was due to the fact you include Bangladesh in those figures at an average of 74.40. I would not quite put there test bowlers into world standard, nor would I give charity runs to batsmen.

As I stated before, 2 years ago Vaughan was brilliant. A player that comes to mind is Kepler Wesles, when he came onto the seen he was smashing every team around the park. Then the West Indies discovered that he got his bat stuck behind his pad on certain deliveries. From then on his average tumbled and was then dropped by the Aussies. He was unable to change his style to correct the problem. So far to date Vaughan has not shown that he is able to change when faced with good bowling - but will punish bad bowling.

[flanflinger]

Originally Posted by Aussie-Yank

A player that comes to mind is Kepler Wesles, when he came onto the seen he was smashing every team around the park. Then the West Indies discovered that he got his bat stuck behind his pad on certain deliveries. From then on his average tumbled and was then dropped by the Aussies. He was unable to change his style to correct the problem. So far to date Vaughan has not shown that he is able to change when faced with good bowling - but will punish bad bowling.

OK so you have highlighted why Keppler was "found-out" but what is the weakness that all these bowlers has discivered. For me the weakness is over-confidence, seeing an ordinary bowler and attempting to dominate him. Sadly over-confidence is not something you get against Aus?

I accept your argument that with an average of 35 (excluding Bangladesh) is not as good as it should be, but what is this one Achilles Heel that gets him out? (apart from over-confidence)

[Trescothick]

We need Strauss to average more than 40 to win these Ashes back IMO...

Strauss: 50
Tresco: 50
Vaughan: 40
Bell: 25
Thorpe:30
Flintoff: 25
Jones: 30
Giles: 25
Tail: 20

If they average that then we still only have 275 on average each innings... so we kinda need people to step up a lil bit more. Flintoff is our best hope of improving on an likely average of 25 and same with Bell...

[Collyisamackem]

I'd back Bell to average above 25!