England v Australia, 2nd Test: Session by Session run rates.

[Notts Exile]

Originally Posted by Seamer

Well get em in while you can P-R. England are still 150 runs short of a par score.

England have been in two very good positions at 160-1 and 290-4. 400 is a minimum surely? With the start we had i would have been expecting 500 !

[Seamer]

Originally Posted by The Phantom Ram

Is there no Australian (batting/bowling) all rounder of test quality?

To be honest - there is no need. Despite the age, they are very fit and are capable of longer bowling spells that most test bowlers in their mid-twenties. There is really no room for an allrounder in the test side, otherwise Symonds would be in the team. Don't let the arbitrary number next to the age column fool you - they train very hard and are very fit. These guys won the series in the extreme heat of India less than a year ago. I have doubts that England's bowlers will have the stamina to last the distance there.

[The Phantom Ram]

Originally Posted by Seamer

To be honest - there is no need. Despite the age, they are very fit and are capable of longer bowling spells that most test bowlers in their mid-twenties. There is really no room for an allrounder in the test side, otherwise Symonds would be in the team. Don't let the arbitrary number next to the age column fool you - they train very hard and are very fit. These guys won the series in the extreme heat of India less than a year ago. I have doubts that England's bowlers will have the stamina to last the distance there.

I don't disagree with anything you say. I just think it is amazing that Australia have the team ability to go into games with only 4 bowlers and consistantly win test matches.

Who was the last real Aussie all-rounder?
Do you think that Adam Gilchrist replaces the need for an all rounder? (I think that'd be true if he batted at 6 allowing for 5 specialist bowlers to be picked)

[Aussie-Yank]

Originally Posted by The Phantom Ram

Who was the last real Aussie all-rounder?
Do you think that Adam Gilchrist replaces the need for an all rounder? (I think that'd be true if he batted at 6 allowing for 5 specialist bowlers to be picked)

Australia have never realy looked for an all rounder - I think this is an English idea that there must be an all rounder in your side.

In the Seventies we relied on our pace attack - Lillie and Thomson.
In the Eighties we sucked and where rebuilding.
In the nineties we had the structure to be dominate with 4 bowlers and a good batting line up and have continued that into the 2000's (Naughties).
I think when you have a good batting line up, and good quality bowling the need for an all rounder is not needed.

[DaveGillespie]

For some reason I can't edit the main post anymore, so:

Thread started in light of discussion of over rates from the first test and associated comments that a session by session analysis was needed.

Day 1
Morning Session: 27 Overs (7 by spinner)
Afternoon Session: 27 Overs (10 by spinner)
Evening Session: 25.2 Overs (8.2 by spinner, session curtailed by rain)

Day 2
Morning Session 24.5 Overs (5 by spinner)

[greg]

Very poor by England.The ICC should do something about it.

[Maranello]

Originally Posted by DaveGillespie

session curtailed by rain

But only curtailed after 5.30, when more than 2 hours of play had already taken place - 25 overs in the last session by Australia, and by England this morning really is poor.

[Notts Exile]

There aren't going to be enough Aussies to form a team for the next Test !!! Clarke must now go and hang himself having got out to the King of Spain!!!

[Richie Benauds Love Child]

I'll add his name on the ponting obitury thread http://www.world-a-team.com/showthread.php?t=3857 although you're welcome to do it.

[DaveGillespie]

Day 1
Morning Session: 27 Overs (7 by spinner)
Afternoon Session: 27 Overs (10 by spinner)
Evening Session: 25.2 Overs (8.2 by spinner, session curtailed by rain)

Day 2
Morning Session 24.5 Overs (5 by spinner)
Afternoon Session 28.1 Overs (10 by spinner)

Again, not exactly brilliant from England considering that 10 overs were bowled by Gilo.