Ashes 3rd test: ratings

[Beny]

How do people come to the conclusion that Jones Kept better than Gilly... Gilly dropped two catches for the entire match and Jones was horrible. He let through more by's and dropped more catches and that missed stumping was horrible. At least Gilly was having to dive away from his position when he let his down... Jones dropped Warne on an absolute sitter.

LF... Don't you think Giles deserves better than a two?

[Paoli]

I think the point is, and one that I have hold for the entirity of both of their test careers, is that neither are top class keepers. Gilchrist is good; and if you take his WICKETKEEPING overall it'd be no better than a six or seven. Jones' would also be no better than a 4 or 5.

So how does Jones score more than Gilchrist:

-Odd flash of brilliance; the catch that rebounded off Strauss.
-A very good, important 40-odd; Gilly made next to no runs.
-The ones that Gilchrist dropped were those Warne would've taken at chin height with ease. Shows poor communication.

[Leafy Seadragon]

Beny,
I think that a keeper's primary job at international level is take all straightforward opportunities and keep tidily. With five as a pass mark, neither should be close on the back of their keeping. Throw in the expectation that both need to score a few and only Jones lived up to this. His keeping was poor (and shouldn't have needed a good reaction catch to redeem it), so even with the runs, I'd still place him short of an acceptable level for an international keeper in that match.

Giles took a few (important) early wickets in the first innings, but IMO that was his sole contribution to the match. His captain (who is openly a big fan) was less and less inclined to go to him for anything. Certainly at the end, when it mattered, the Aussies were desperately hoping he'd get the ball. On the flipside, Warne bowled well in his second innings, and whilst he didn't get a wicket, looked far more likely than Giles. In fairness I was between a two and three for Giles and 5 and 6 for McGrath. Not fussed one way or the other - they're only really discussion points

Paoli - I think judgement rather than communication is the issue in a split second decision by the keeper to go or to leave for first slip

[flanflinger]

Originally Posted by Beny

Are you saying that Gilchrist dropping two catches and making no runs is worse than Jones dropping more catches than I can count and making no runs...

Beny,

Lets get this straight - you are judging on the last game...

Jones dropped one and missed one stumping - he also scored 42 and 27 (off 15 balls)

Gilchrist dropped two and also missed TWO stumpings off Warne - he scored 30 and 4...

Read my post again.. I did not say he deserved to be higher but I did say there is no way Gilchrist had a better game

[Notts Exile]

Originally Posted by flanflinger

Beny,

Jones dropped one and missed one stumping - he also scored 42 and 27 (off 15 balls)

Those two errors on Saturday cost us the Test. Warne batted for another hour and a half after that. Schoolboy wicketkeepers would be dropped for that catch he dropped!

He's a rubbish keeper, how anyone can defend him after that I don't know.

[Collyisamackem]

Originally Posted by Beny

Are you saying that Gilchrist dropping two catches and making no runs is worse than Jones dropping more catches than I can count and making no runs... How about that missed stumping off Warne, or the dropped catch... I still dont know how he dropped it. Gilly didd'nt have a good game but he only really made two mistakes with the gloves... Jones made heaps of mistakes.

In short... Gilly was poor. Jones was horrible.

I didn't say it was worse than Jones' performance in the other test. However, this thread is about the THIRD test, in which Gilchrist was at the worst I've ever seen him. Oh, and you forgot that Gillchrist missed a stumping.

[Aussie-Yank]

Originally Posted by Notts Exile

Those two errors on Saturday cost us the Test. Warne batted for another hour and a half after that. Schoolboy wicketkeepers would be dropped for that catch he dropped!

He's a rubbish keeper, how anyone can defend him after that I don't know.

Those dropped catches may have cost England the game, but if it where not for Gilchrest dropped catches England would not have been in the position they where in on Saturday. In the first innings Gilchrest should have caught Tresco on 13 off McGrath in the 5th over of the day, this error cost Australia 50 runs. In the 23rd over Gilchrest Dropped Vaughan on 41, and that error cost us another 125 runs.

[Gantas]

Trescothick 7 Hayden 6
Strauss 8 Langer 5
Vaughan 9 Ponting 9
Bell 8 Martyn 5
Pietersen 5 Clarke 7
Flintoff 7 Katich 6
Jones 7 Gilchrist 5
Giles 6 Warne 9
Hoggard 5 Gillespie 3
Jones 8 Lee 7
Harmison 6 McGrath 8

England 76 Australia 70

[Notts Exile]

Originally Posted by Aussie-Yank

Those dropped catches may have cost England the game, but if it where not for Gilchrest dropped catches England would not have been in the position they where in on Saturday. In the first innings Gilchrest should have caught Tresco on 13 off McGrath in the 5th over of the day, this error cost Australia 50 runs. In the 23rd over Gilchrest Dropped Vaughan on 41, and that error cost us another 125 runs.

I'm English and we can do nothing about Gilchrist, but we sure can moan about Jones though! From the position we were in we should have won that Test match. That we didn't is, in the main, down to the muppet with the big gloves on!