Pathan: Most Promising Young Bowler?

[Zainub]

Exactly, time will tell what happens in the future, but ATM he is just promising, not more, not less. Any glorification, beyond that would be an exageration.

[Rachael]

It's true, Zainub, that he's still got a long way to go and a lot to prove... but when you compare what he's got in his favour in terms of action, wrist position, ability to swing the ball and so on... he's in a different league of potential to the likes of Tait, Edwards, Nel and so on.

That's not to say he'll make it and they will not... but whose shoes would you rather be in?

ps. for a significant series see here

[flanflinger]

Originally Posted by Rachael

Nel and so on.

Why are we even discussing Nel in the context of a young bowler - he is 28!! which means we should also include Harmison, Flintoff, Jones, Lee in the list.

For me the young bowlers are

Pathan, Steyn, Edwards, Tremlett, Anderson, Kaneria, Gul, Tait

i.e. guys in their early twenties!! and not just seamers either

Of those the guy I rate as "Most Outstanding" is Kaneira - http://statserver.cricket.org/guru?s...lds=vie wtype

[Zainub]

Rachael,

Perhaps you are right about the fact he is seemingly better placed then most of the others to succeed, however I would still resist the temptation to sound overtly melodramatic. To go with the physical skills Pathan has, he'll need a bit of luck, if nothing to at least try and stay injury free, this time 2 years ago Zaheer Khan looked very much like "the most promising" bowler in world cricket then, but look at where he is now.

FF,

I presumed we were talking about seamers only. That is why no mention of Kaneria up till now. And even if we were, he's 24, so a year above our creterion of equal to or less then 23 years of age.

[Colourful Chaddi]

Originally Posted by Rachael

It's true, Zainub, that he's still got a long way to go and a lot to prove... but when you compare what he's got in his favour in terms of action, wrist position, ability to swing the ball and so on... he's in a different league of potential to the likes of Tait, Edwards, Nel and so on.

That's not to say he'll make it and they will not... but whose shoes would you rather be in?

ps. for a significant series see here

It was this series against the Pakistani's that really showed everyone how much potentail he had. He was only 19 years of age playing in his first season and his first full test series. He made Yousuf Yohana his bunny for this series whcih any fast bowler would be proud of. His figures were very good , expecailly his economy rate, the Pakistani batsmen were just clueless against him. These figures coming from the sub-coneinet are outstanding.

[Orchid]

Originally Posted by Waseem

He made Yousuf Yohana his bunny for this series whcih any fast bowler would be proud of.

I assume you are talking about the limited overs matches? He did get Yousuf out 3 times out of the 5 ODIS, but in the Test matches Pathan got him out only twice in 5 innings and even out of those in one of the innings Yousuf had already scored 112 runs. So I guess, after being able to read Pathan, borrowing your own words, Yousuf UNBUNNIED himself during the Tests.

[Colourful Chaddi]

________Mat__O_____R__W___BBI___BBM__Ave___Econ__SR___5__1 0
D.Bravo___3___104___319__4___2/98___3/125__79.75__3.06__156.0__0___0
I.Pathan__1___36_____89___3___3/72___3/89__29.66___2.47__72.0___0___0

Currently the only teams which Irfan Pathan and Dwanye Bravo have played in tests are South Africa. Cleary Irfan Pathan has been the better performer with the ball. He has a better average, strike rate and economy. Bravo has 1 more wicket than Pathan but he has played 2 more matches. One major consideration should be taken when you look at these stats is that Irfan Pathan was bowling on unhelpful indian pitches which were made for spinners.

These stats show Irfan Pathan is better than Dwayne Bravo in terms of bowling. But i would say bravo has more potentail with the bat, but that is a different issue.

[Zainub]

Spare a thought for Bravo Waseem, Pathan at least has the support of bowling alongside the likes of Kumble and Harbajjan. In England against England Dwayne Bravo was the only West Indian bowler who troubled the English batsmen (who are arguably a stronger line up then South Africa), almost every time he was brought into the attack he took a wicket.

[butchering lee]

Originally Posted by flanflinger

Of those the guy I rate as "Most Outstanding" is Kaneira

i really want to get a proper look at him. i've been looking forward to it for a while.

qadir's view of him was not ALL rosy - said he doesn't have the right attitude..doesn't pay enough respect to batsmen who've dominated or something - but was full of praise for technique.

[butchering lee]

Originally Posted by Ninjaman

I was merely stating my opinion on the criteria used to judge "young", couldn't care either way who is or who isn't.

To add to Zainub's list of young (23 and under) bowlers, she also might want to include Jermaine Lawson who is not 24 yet.

Investigated action notwithstanding it has been shown to be legal and he has 50 wickets in 12 games

i know that's what you were doing - and i was asking for the names (it was an honest request for someone to name them!) as i don't know how old most of these guys are.