Hide/show banner
Fantasy Cricket

Welcome to the World-A-Team Cricket Forum. We promote friendly, good-natured, quality cricket discussion.
Go Back   World A-Team Cricket Forum > International Test Cricket > ITC Archived Threads 2005 Onwards.
Sitemap Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Contact Us Chat Room Shoutbox News Podcasts Fantasy Cricket

 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 12-05-2006, 07:45 PM
Ernest's Avatar
Ernest Ernest is online now
Administrator
WAT England A Selector
Selector-World XI (1980 onwards)
(WI-captain) Passed Brian Lara's 11953 Test runs
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Lancashire
My main national team: None - I support cricket in general
My other team/s: ::All "Test" Playing Nations
Posts: 13,606
Send a message via Yahoo to Ernest Send a message via Skype™ to Ernest
Cook or Collingwood?...

Both players have played well in this First Test for England against Sri Lanka.

Both players have done well since being selected to play in the England side.

The fact is that when Michael Vaughan is fit, one of these two will be dropped, unless Strauss really struggles in the next few matches.

Hard decission, but I think Cook will be the one to make way, not because I think he has done badly, in fact's it's a real toss up.

But Cook is really an opener he is out of place at three, and would have to drop down to four when Vaughan returns.

So who will have to make way when Vaughan returns - Cook or Collingwood?.
__________________
Ern
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 12-05-2006, 07:56 PM in reply to Ernest's post "Cook or Collingwood?..."
cantplaycantalk cantplaycantalk is offline
(PAK) Passed Abdul Qadir's 1029 Test runs
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
My main national team: I support more than one national team
My other team/s: Durham, England, West Indies
Posts: 1,032
Quite frankly I think Vaughan will go the same way as Hussain, Freddy is Captain now, Colly and Cook both look like they will keep on getting runs and Vaughan doesn't.
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 12-05-2006, 08:09 PM in reply to cantplaycantalk's post starting "Quite frankly I think Vaughan will go..."
Vrock's Avatar
Vrock Vrock is offline
Moderator
WAT Journalist  
Creator of WAT Cricketers of the Year 2005
Read my Articles
WAT selector - West Indies A
WAT England A Selector-2005
(ENG-captain) Passed Ted Dexter's 4502 Test runs
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Yorkshire
My main national team: England
My other team/s: West Indies, Yorkshire
Posts: 4,433
Send a message via Yahoo to Vrock
Quote:
Originally Posted by cantplaycantalk
Quite frankly I think Vaughan will go the same way as Hussain, Freddy is Captain now, Colly and Cook both look like they will keep on getting runs and Vaughan doesn't.
Vaughan will have been out of test cricket for at least 6 months once he returns. I think he will have gained the hunger and desire to score lots of runs, and give England a stroke making genius again in the line up.

Collingwood will retain his place upon the return of Vaughan, he has done nothing wrong and is the perfect neutraliser for KP and Freddie, as was shown today. Whilst KP made the big runs, Collingwood just knocked the ball around and then Freddie came in with a little cameo.

I personally would love to see Cook continue, he has had a marvellous start to test cricket and I think he could score lots of runs but Vaughan as a higher order batsmen. We would be, in theory, going into a game with four openers. Not quite what is required normally.
__________________
Watch this for a perfect about.
James May
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 13-05-2006, 06:19 AM in reply to Vrock's post starting "Vaughan will have been out of test..."
greg's Avatar
greg greg is offline
Selector of WAT Cricketers of the Year 2005
WAT England A Selector-2005
Selector-World XI (1980 onwards)
(NZ-captain) Passed John Wright's 5334 Test runs
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Salop/England
My main national team: England
My other team/s: Yorkshire
Posts: 5,338
I am a huge fan of Michael Vaughan but he needs to get some runs in county cricket and prove over a number of games his knee is ok and will stand up to the rigours of a test before we bring him back in.It may well be Cook who ends up dropped but for all we know we may yet get another injury to ease Vaughan back in easily.

Personally i wouldn't like Cook being dropped as he is an excellent player who will do more for the team over a longer period than Collingwood but the junior man is generally the one who is left out.
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 13-05-2006, 09:57 AM in reply to greg's post starting "I am a huge fan of Michael Vaughan but..."
Mongoose's Avatar
Mongoose Mongoose is offline
(WI) Passed Lawrence Rowe's 2047 Test runs
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Manchester, North-West England
My main national team: England
My other team/s: Lancashire
Posts: 2,055
This is a very difficult decision, and a very nice dilemma to have - especially when you've also got Bell, Shah, Joyce, Key and Butcher lining up in the queue as well.

I really can't tell who will get the nod. Colly has done very well since the end of the Ashes, and looks like a consistent performer, plus he has bowling and fielding to bolster his case. The management clearly think a lot of Cook, otherwise they wouldn't have left Bell out. Cook will be in there for the long term eventually. I think it comes down to the next two matches, and who performs better will keep the place. If Cook stays in, Vaughan will probably bat at 4, as he did in 2004.
__________________
Just what is going off out there?
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 13-05-2006, 06:31 PM in reply to Mongoose's post starting "This is a very difficult decision, and..."
Collyisamackem's Avatar
Collyisamackem Collyisamackem is offline
WAT selector - England A 2005
(WI) Passed Jeffery Dujon's 3322 Test runs
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Chester, UK
My main national team: England
My other team/s: Durham, Somerset
Posts: 3,368
Cook is a superb, stable and very talented top three player, Colly is a middle order batsman who plays spin tremendously well and may be the rock we need. It's a difficult choice but I think we need a number 5 batsman rather than another top order batsman, so I'd lean towards Colly. This is not county bias, as I rate Cook very, very highly and would love to have him in the side, but it's what I see the side needing right now. Colly already knows how to really frustrate Shane Warne too.

Last edited by Collyisamackem : 13-05-2006 at 06:35 PM.
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 13-05-2006, 08:24 PM in reply to Collyisamackem's post starting "Cook is a superb, stable and very..."
mudney mudney is offline
 
Join Date: May 2006
My main national team: England
Posts: 134
I think I would go with Colly because he deserves a run in the side and has international experience. Cooky will play regularly when he is 24 - 25 and hopefully will become world class.

I believe that the top 7 for the ashes should be
1. Strauss 2. Trescothick 3. Vaughan (C) 4. Pietersen 5. Collingwood 6. Flintoff 7. Jones

The bowlers should be

8. Giles/Panesar 9. Hoggard 10. Harmison 11. Jones
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 13-05-2006, 08:40 PM in reply to Collyisamackem's post starting "Cook is a superb, stable and very..."
Rachael Rachael is online now
Administrator
WAT selector
Selector-World XI (1980 onwards)
(ENG-captain) Passed Mike Atherton's 7728 Test runs
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Norfolk
My main national team: None - I support cricket in general
Posts: 7,808
Quote:
Originally Posted by Collyisamackem
It's a difficult choice
Why worry? It's quite likely that one from Flintoff, Harmison, Hoggard and Jones will be missing... in which case Collingwood as an addtional batsman / occassional bowler offers more than (say) Plunkett / Mahmood / Anderson.... or that one of the top order will be out.... in which case they ain't competing.

The limited injury / absentee list of the 2005 Ashes ain't normal!
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 13-05-2006, 08:43 PM in reply to Collyisamackem's post starting "Cook is a superb, stable and very..."
greg's Avatar
greg greg is offline
Selector of WAT Cricketers of the Year 2005
WAT England A Selector-2005
Selector-World XI (1980 onwards)
(NZ-captain) Passed John Wright's 5334 Test runs
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Salop/England
My main national team: England
My other team/s: Yorkshire
Posts: 5,338
Quote:
Originally Posted by Collyisamackem
It's a difficult choice but I think we need a number 5 batsman rather than another top order batsman, so I'd lean towards Colly. This is not county bias, as I rate Cook very, very highly and would love to have him in the side, but it's what I see the side needing right now.
The England selectors may decide to go with Cook at 3 and Vaughan at 5 splitting KP and Freddie which is a logical choice if they decide that Cook is a better choice than Collingwood.
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 13-05-2006, 08:45 PM in reply to greg's post starting "The England selectors may decide to go..."
mudney mudney is offline
 
Join Date: May 2006
My main national team: England
Posts: 134
Yeah we could do with splitting the aggressive batsmen in the side so we have a good balance at the crease. While it would be great to watch both KP and Fred destroy attacks, I believe a partnership works best in contrasts, with someone attacking and scoring quick runs, and the other person who you know will stay there when the attacking batsmen has departed.
 


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT. The time now is 10:41 PM.

Page generated in 0.504 seconds (66.89% PHP - 33.11% MySQL) with 13 queries

Partner Sites: - pakistancricketzone.com | Fantasy Cricket | Cricket World Cup Images | Cricket 24/7 | Third Umpire | Indian Cricket League

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.0.0