India Vs West Indies- second test match

[DomainK]

The first match was very interesting. We saw everything, ups and lows for each team and the the match ended in a draw in a thrilling manner. I am happy for India since for the first time on this tour they looked comfortable batting on the West Indian pitches.

What do you think will be the result of the second test??

[Quagmire]

Well India are not what they use to be and obviously the West Indies are on a downward slope but i just think that Lara is due for something special, It will be a close test match.

[DomainK]

In the mean while, I just read that Sehwag has been fined 20% of his match fees for excessive appealing.

http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/wivi...ry/249874.html

Cricinfo rightly raised the topic of why Lara was let off while Sehwag was fined.

http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/wivi...ry/249880.html

Whats your pinion? Was Sehwag's crime worse than Lara's?

[Wanderer]

Originally Posted by DomainK

Whats your opinion? Was Sehwag's crime worse than Lara's?

Lets look at the 2 issues:
First Lara:
1. He didn't want to accept the umpires' decision.
2. Showed disrespect to the umpire by snatching the ball from his hand after the decision was made.
3. Showed even more insolence by pointing at umpire Rauf.
4. Told Dhoni that he should walk off. (in my eyes, virtually TELLING the umps that they were wrong)

Now Sehwag:
1. He was found guilty of excessive appealing, because he "celebrated a dismissal before the decision has been given"

Like Michael Holding said: "..You can't show disrespect to the umpires in the middle". This leaves us with an interesting question: "Who of the 2 showed more dissent and disrespect to the umpires"?

I think it's right that Sehwag got fined. He was in breach of 1.5 of the ICC Code of Conduct. But..How many codes did Lara breach?

[Vrock]

It's an interesting issue, but I feel Sehwag's fine was something which the umpires in world cricket have plenty of opportunity to frown on. You must ask the umpire if they think it is out, not assume that a batsman is out what ever happens.

Lara's deeds were something of rarity in cricket, and I suspect that the umpires probably felt some empathy towards Lara along the lines of sportsmanship between players and taking what one players says as given.

What would you fine him for? For taking the ball and storming around like a child?

[Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Vrock

What would you fine him for? For taking the ball and storming around like a child?

Yes. Because he's a grown man, not a child. And millions of people were watching (including children)..If the issue is "disrespect" towards the umpires, then I think his action shows more disrespect than Sehwag's. Although I agree it's totally correct that Sehwag got fined.

[Vrock]

I agree, it was a poor act to the umpires, and IMO he should have been fined for what he did. Morally he did a worse action than Sehwag, and I very much doubt anyone would disagree with this. However, Sehwag broke a code of conduct, Lara's case was not so clear cut. His actions were for something that could have been prevented. The third umpire should have just given Dhoni 'not out' due to inconclusive evidence. Then I don't reckon Lara would have had a leg to stand on.

[Wanderer]

There's one more thing that's a bit weird for me...Was the ball dead? I mean, if the ball was not dead, then Dravid could not declare...Right?

And if the umpires did not waste those 15 minutes, signalled 6, and Dravid DID declare, would the Windies two last batsmen have had 4 more overs to bat out...?

[Vrock]

Originally Posted by Wanderer

There's one more thing that's a bit weird for me...Was the ball dead? I mean, if the ball was not dead, then Dravid could not declare...Right?

I don't think the ball was dead, in theory, it was still continuing in discussion of whether to give Dhoni 'out' or not. And as far as I'm aware, the declaration was the best decision to get the issue solved. Whether it was all above board as far as regulations go I'm not sure, but it could have got ugly on the field.

Originally Posted by Wanderer

And if the umpires did not waste those 15 minutes, signalled 6, and Dravid DID declare, would the Windies two last batsmen have had 4 more overs to bat out...?

Yes, is the simple answer. Unless Lara did start getting angry, but in that situation he would have been fined. Due to the lack of confusion given from the umpires.

[batoutofhell]

Few days back from england we heard that mahela has been fined for showing disrespect to the cricket tool(even after his immediete apology)
now sehwag for a silly reason
ok i agree the rule is a rule but how come lara's childish stupid behaviour can escape from the eyes of the great(?)player jeff crowe
infact lara should be banned for atleast 2 test matches and or 4 one dayers for this kind of act
because he has the big player tag he escaped
the refrees really cowards and they are useless
i can remember similar incident happened in southafrica some time ago
even that time it was india the victim against the dreaded eyes of racist from uk
south africans especially ever loud appealing shaun pollock was unscathed whereas indians where punished for over appealing
someone from india's bcci has to do something against these biased refrees(since india is virtually the main center for cricket in the world)
i am utterly disappointed hear the sehwag's news