Hot News:Pakistan complaining to ICC

[batoutofhell]

Just seen in the spotscenter
reporting that PCB contemplating an official complaint against Daryll Hair to the ICC
It was reported that even before the start of the test series PCB had requested ICC to not to officiate Darryl hair in their matches
what's your take on this action by PCB?
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[Occasional Fan]

My take is simple: they have a right to state their case, and the right to a fair hearing from the ICC.

Do I personally think there is any bias in Hair's umpiring? No. Nor would I suggest it of any of the other top flight umpires in the game. But that is a different issue. Everyone is entitled to his "day in court", and that is what the PCB is reportedly seeking, and that is fair enough for me.

[batoutofhell]

fair enough occasional Fan
my take is bit controversial so better i will not write it here otherwise moderators will delete this post
its good that somebody is ready to approach ICC for their grievences
often we see the former players and board officials talking about biassed umpiring not making a proper complaint or approach with ICC
if i am not wrong some time back i think last pak tour of england
david sheperd missed few of the no balls by english bowlers which resulted in wickets for them and loss for pakistan
wasim bari called sheperd a cheater but he was reprimanded by ICC that time
it is always better to approach the governing body with proper details so that one can advocate their complaints against any such action

[Pete]

Originally Posted by batoutofhell

if i am not wrong some time back i think last pak tour of england
david sheperd missed few of the no balls by english bowlers which resulted in wickets for them and loss for pakistan

David Shepherd missed no balls that resulted in 4 wickets *FOR* Pakistan, when England lost at Old Trafford in 2001.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/in_depth/2001/england_v_pakistan/1370125.stm

[flanflinger]

Quite right Pete, some of the no-balls were shocking. There is a great article in the latest wisden cricketer, looking back to that match.

Shep nearly quit after the game he was so distraught, but the England players, despite the result going against them, that talked him round.

[John]

I would like to see the evidence first. It depends on the evidence to what view I would take. I think Pakistan must have a reason to raise it.
The underlying premise of all this is Umpires and referees are neutral. I would like to believe so but is that actually the case in each and every time. The manager of Bolton has claimed on a number occasions the big clubs always get decisions in favour of them. Is he whingeing? I tend to think not.

[Colourful Chaddi]

Well im not suprised the PCB is not happy with the umpring in the last match, both umpire were terrible, I can't believe they never gave Pietersen and Cook out when they nicked it, terrible umpiring. Also some LBW were turned down by both teams which showed that they would have hit the stumps.

[DaveGillespie]

In a more general sense I think the ICC needs to be brought to book on this Elite Panel caper. It's forced Peter Willey, for one, out of test umpiring and he was, in my opinion, one of the very best out there. Shep had to retire because of his age but to my mind he still operates at a higher level than Aleem Dar and Steve Bucknor.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Occasional Fan

My take is simple: they have a right to state their case, and the right to a fair hearing from the ICC.

This is my stance also: I don't think Hair would have dared to show bias to the extent that people are claiming.

The reason I think this is that was that to be true - then his days as an umpire would be numbered, I am of the opinion that no umpire would deliberatly self destruct.

I think the time has now come for the big screens to be removed, the replays can only show up mistakes that umpires must have been making for years.

[Mongoose]

I know what the impression is that many people have of Hair. I have voiced reservations about him too. However, about Pakistan's complaint, I will say this. They need to be certain of the case they present to the ICC, and they must have firm evidence to back this up. If they just present suspicions and vague impressions of injustice, they will be sent packing and will lose a lot of credibility. They need to be very careful about how they handle this, and a complaint is only worth making if it can be backed up with proof. Ultimately, they need to convince the ICC to agree with them. If they're confident they have the evidence to do that, then fine, make the complaint. If they haven't got compelling evidence, I think they'd be better advised to wait, see if they can gather more evidence, and in the meantime keep in dialogue with the ICC to try to avoid any contentious umpiring appointments for future series.

Originally Posted by Ernest

I think the time has now come for the big screens to be removed, the replays can only show up mistakes that umpires must have been making for years.

Yes. I don't think it's right that players can see replays of decisions while the game is in play. Umpires are human, and should be left to get on with it without having a microscope put on them for all to see, while still standing out in the middle ready for the next decision. Close calls should be left until afterwards to be played and reviewed.