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Old 22-08-2006, 09:04 AM
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Should the ICC be disbanded?

I think everyone will agree that the ICC made a complete mess of things in this match. Inzimam said on Tv in his interview that he was convinced to play on by the ICC Match refree as well as the ECB chairman and the PCB chairman, Procter however forgot to include hair in this scheme of things and thus chaos happened. Noone disputes the fact that the match should have gone england's way when pakistan forfitted but the point is that ICC is not fit anymore to handle these situations, if they are in control they certainly dont exhibit it. Why cant we let go of this dinasour of an organization and play cricket as it should be played like a sport. Why cant we have a board of directors of the chairmen of all the different cricketing boards and take a simple vote everytime crises ensues, it would be good for the game, after all time and time again the ICC has not been able to handle the situation properly, they are disorganized and inefficient. What do you all think?
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Old 22-08-2006, 09:13 AM in reply to Mr Hutt's post "Should the ICC be disbanded?"
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The ICC has been a shambles for years, forcing England to play in Zimbabwe, not throwing Zimbabwe out of international cricket in the first place it goes on and on making decisions which have little or nothing to do with the good of the game.

But the question of disbanding the ICC is not possible, it could be reformed, or indeed re-formed but we will always need a world body with responsibility for the game. Perhaps it would be best if this was formed not from cricket administrators and professional diplomats at the top level but from retired umpires with the administrators and diplomats being at the level below. Each country to nominate it's own representative from the available ex umpires.
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Old 22-08-2006, 09:25 AM in reply to cantplaycantalk's post starting "The ICC has been a shambles for years,..."
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I am amazed at how the ICC is reaching new lows.....yes, we need a reform badly today.
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Old 22-08-2006, 09:46 AM in reply to cantplaycantalk's post starting "The ICC has been a shambles for years,..."
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I would say disbanded is out of the question, but a huge shake up reform is needed me thinks.
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Old 22-08-2006, 09:51 AM in reply to Speedboy Salesman's post starting "I would say disbanded is out of the..."
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There needs to be some sort of shake-up with the ICC. To start with, it should be given FIFA-like powers.
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Old 22-08-2006, 10:08 AM in reply to Mr Hutt's post "Should the ICC be disbanded?"
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ICC Inflamatory and Chaotic Committee

Reform is needed. Otherwise, as has been said in the past, we could see a split in international cricket. The ICC should stand for the Inflamatory and Chaotic Committee. Cricket has brought Pakistan and England closer these troubled times. It is a point of contact in our cultures which is important. Sport has exorcised demons and let us see that we are two not so dissimilar peoples. But if the Asian countries feel the ICC has acted in an inflamatory way in allkowing Hair's sensibiities to come before those of major member countries, no wonder they feel aggrieved. They would feel once more like second class citizens. And if those countries see the ICC compound its insensitivity with chaotic decisions and incometence, why shouldthey have any trust in it at all.
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Old 22-08-2006, 11:06 AM in reply to Cliff-UK's post starting "ICC Inflamatory and Chaotic Committee ..."
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My opinion has changed now that I know the full story. Good on Hair. I don't particularly have a lot of time for him but I respect what he has done.

Inzamam, like another portly captain of yesteryear, Arjuna Ranatunga, has just shown complete contempt for the rules of the game. Not only has he brought the game into disrepute, but he has gone against the spirit of cricket. I mean, for god's sake- it wasn't that bad was it?!?! 5 run penalty! Appeal at the nights end.

There are two viewpoints to this.

One- The Asian view (not entirely exclusive though), which is, Hair is a racist and will be as long as he has a hole in his ****.

And the other, World View- Inzamam's brought the game into disrepute and Hair was right in what he did.
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Old 22-08-2006, 11:09 AM in reply to Cliff-UK's post starting "ICC Inflamatory and Chaotic Committee ..."
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Thats exactly how the Asian countries are feeling and a spilt is quite possible if things dont improve.

I also agree with you that sport has helped the nations all come together. The situation has improved a lot in the last two decades and will probably improve more.
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Old 22-08-2006, 03:44 PM in reply to DomainK's post starting "Thats exactly how the Asian countries..."
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The ICC is like any other organisation, doesn't work properly or adjust to pressure. Take the UN for example, it was set up to prevent any more wars after World War two, but it has failed to act Accordingly in many different situations, E.G - Gulf War, Falklands war, Koreon War, Seuz Crisis, Vietnam, African Wars, Somolian Crisis...

This may be because the system doesn't work. The leaders of the UN urge countries to put troops in, but they don't always have support from the G8 countries, thus the failure of so many operations. Same applies in Cricket, the ICC doesn't act against the top Umpires or players correctly. Umpires have made some decisions over time which were biased, but the ICC have dismissed them. Some international players have evidently cheated and the ICC have slapped them on the wrist and let life go on. Discipline is in shambles in both organisations.


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Old 22-08-2006, 04:36 PM in reply to cantplaycantalk's post starting "The ICC has been a shambles for years,..."
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Originally Posted by cantplaycantalk
But the question of disbanding the ICC is not possible ... we will always need a world body with responsibility for the game.
Well, what about the MCC?

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I think everyone will agree that the ICC made a complete mess of things in this match ... ICC is not fit anymore to handle these situations ... Why cant we let go of this dinasour of an organization?
It's been said before, last time (I think) by David Morgan during the England tour of Zimbabwe and all the dust that that kicked up: the ICC is a confederation of national boards, nothing more nor less. Therefore it follows that criticism of the ICC is by definition criticism of the national boards. The ICC is an easy target for us - and I've had the odd pop at it, I guess - but Morgan is right: if we criticise it, we criticise the ECB, PCB, BCCI, CA, ZC, SACB, WICB ... etc. - not to mention all the boards of the associate members. So we should be a bit careful here.

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Why cant we have a board of directors of the chairmen of all the different cricketing boards and take a simple vote everytime crises ensues?
Well, as implied above, that's effectively what we have now.
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