The Aussie Ashes Thread

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

Ernest firstly this thread is aimed for Australian supporters not for people who are just bagging them without any evidence apart from saying that he is going to be like Botham and Lillee when they were both tair away quicks that relied on there pace

First I am not bagging the Aussies - I give credit where it is due, I will give you an example or two.

1) Even last year when I was tipping England to win back the Ashes (for the same reasons) McGraths age was one of them.
2) I did not hesitate in saying Australia's batting attack was far better than Englands ( a claim I make again this year).
2) I don't hesitate in having a go at Bell who I think will be a weak link in the England side, as I doubt he will be able to play the express pace of Lee.
4) I have given credit to Lee and Tait, I think theses two players are the backbone of the Aussie attack, in particular Lee.
5) Botham did not have express pace - he relied on moving the ball in the air, and of the seam, that's why he took wickets of poor deliveries.
6) Which brings me to McGrath, he is a tall bowler who has liked to bank it in , he has intimidated players, that is his nature.
7) As for me not answering this thread, it's on the ITC forum and as such can be answered by anyone, it's not on the Australia forum - in any case I have not insulted any Aussie person or player.I watched Botham and Lee in their twilight years - and believe me it was pathetic watching two great players bowling at half their pace, not enjoyable at all.

[flanflinger]

Originally Posted by KennyG 117711

The only reason the poms won last time was because he trod on a ball.

You seem to forget that he was out for one Test due to that reason, but he he also couldn't play in the fourth Test due to a injury caused by long term wear of the elbow joint, a product that Physio admitted was due to his age and the longevity of his career, the ball incident was a one off, but will his body hold up to five Tests is still a bug question mark...

Originally Posted by KennyG

Is it ok to call call English "POMS" or do you little dears find that offensive.

No, don't mind at all, but do mind being patronised...

[Mr Hutt]

nah ernest you and all of your fellow englishmen are welcome to post here... we would like to hear what ya all think after losing the ashes ) it would be very interesting

[Notts Exile]

Originally Posted by Mr Hutt

nah ernest you and all of your fellow englishmen are welcome to post here... we would like to hear what ya all think after losing the ashes )

Quite right we are welcome here. I don't mind taking stick from the Aussies, if they're beating us. It goes both ways. I do find it a bit strange when supporters of Pakistan start giving it to us when they're not even playing!

[KennyG]

McGrath was out for the 2 test,which we lost by a handful of runs.Do you think over 2 innings he might have had better figures than Kasper?McGrath plays 4 test in the series we would have won 2 to 1.

[Mr Hutt]

Originally Posted by Notts Exile

Quite right we are welcome here. I don't mind taking stick from the Aussies, if they're beating us. It goes both ways. I do find it a bit strange when supporters of Pakistan start giving it to us when they're not even playing!

i am a fan of team Australia Notts, whats the matter? cant take a little bit of needling from me cuz im a pakistani as well? i support both Australia and Pakistan. I dont think there is anything wrong with that.. infact some of the aussies you see on here do think highly of the Pakistani Team as well

[flanflinger]

Did you actually watch the third Test in that series - the one which Australia celebrated a draw?

McGrath got possibly the worst 5fer of his career, as England looked to press for runs, and was wicketless in the first innings?

My point though was not his effectiveness, no serious Cricket fan could dismiss McGrath on his ability, but read my post again, and I was pointing out that McGrath suffered two injuries, one a freak, the other due to his age!! He is 18 months older, the big question for McGrath (I am not convinced he will last as long as Walsh) is that he is nearly 37!!! How long can he keep going at the top level?

And here's the big question why did Walsh have to keep going? The reason because frankly the next generation where no up to it?? Is that the case with Australia?

For all the comments that our youngsters are better than yours, well why are not pressing for places? England could have turned to Caddick, Butcher, Crawley and Ramprakash who might have done a job this winter, but instead they looked towards Cook, Mahmood, Bell and Plunkett... why because we back our young talent, where as the Australians selectors seem not to have the same confidence??

But what do I care when in 2009 a team of Austalians, who have never played in the Ashes before, head to the UK to take a pasting from an English team many of whom who have not just Ashes experience, but 40 Tests under their belt!!

Your 36 year old may win you this Ashes, but they won't win you the next, and their very presence at the expense of guys like Clarke, Tait, Cosgrove will damage your long term future..

But it's not just us English that are saying it but ex-Aussies players!!

[SixandOut]

Originally Posted by Ernest

First I am not bagging the Aussies - I give credit where it is due, I will give you an example or two.


2) I don't hesitate in having a go at Bell who I think will be a weak link in the England side, as I doubt he will be able to play the express pace of Lee.

I don't think Bell has a problem with pace. I think he will be one of the stars for England as we watch KP and Fred capitulate under their egos.

[flanflinger]

He can't play the express pace of Lee, but managed to do reasonably well against the faster pace of Akhtar in Pakistan last year.. He was the leading run maker in that series I believe...

In the last Ashes Bell was out 10 times

Warne - 3
McGrath - 3
Lee - 2
Tait - 1
Kaspa -1

So why will he suddenly struggle more with Lee than he did last time, on pitches which are actually likely to be more conducive to spin by all accounts!!

In fact most normal people worry about his ability to play Warne.. but Ern is a bit different, had Bell been born in the Lancashire catchment area I am 100% convinced that Ern would champion him in the way he does Flintoff, Mahmood and Anderson....

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by SixandOut

I think he will be one of the stars for England as we watch KP and Fred capitulate under their egos.

Like Bell was Ashes 2005, and did Flintoff capitulate under his ego also Ashes 2005? .