Who is the World's best Allrounder??

Kallis or Flintoff, I think Flintoff because of his bowling ability.

For the record, this is overall, not in ODI's or test, rather a combo.

I had to go FLintoff. Kallis would be the man if you wanted to draw a test. Flintoff if you wanted to win it. I would take the matchwinner any day .

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Exactly. Kallis is a brilliant bat but his bowling lacks sting these days. Freddie has worked hard on not wanting to smack every ball out of the park and try and get a wicket every ball.

Freddie is reformed, and a matchwinner. Id take him....At least at ODI level.

Flintoff because he can bowl well and he can bat well.Most people will say "Kallis can too!" but Flintoff can rip teams apart with his monstrous sixes and he can hit huge scores and he can score quickly AND bat with discipline.Flintoff can bowl faster with accuracy where as Kallis doesn't bowl that quickly.I haven't seen Kallis bowl lately for the South Africans.Flintoff can make things happen,he can bowl to different kinds of fields,ATTACKING AND DEFENDING.He keeps his cool well in tight situations.

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Kallis is a superb bat, I think he's no.1 in test and ODIs but I've always been left cold by his bowling, not that quick not alot of movement, always on a length but I remember watching him bowl over after over about 2 yards outide off stump - dreadfully boring. As an Allrounder its freddie by a mile, but as both are decent slip fielders its pretty close. Not sure who is the better overall player, or the most valuable to their respective sides.

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I think Kallis is quickly losing his status as an all rounder. There is no doubt he is a fine batsman but his bowling has gone down dramatically in recent years due to various injuries. I think Kallis himself would rather be classified as a batsman rather than all rounder because he takes great pride in his batting but not so much with his bowling.

Flintoff on the otherhand is a genuine all rounder, although he is not as good a batsman as Kallis he can bat and bowl to devastating effect and he is also dynamite at slip. IMO there is no comparison between the two as all rounders. Maybe a fairer comparisons from the current era is with Cairns who was another genuine all rounder.

That would be closer, and I'd also bring Heath Streak into that equasion.

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Talking about slip catches did anyone see anyone see Freddie's catch against West Indies at home at leg slip with Ashley Giles' bowling?! THAT WAS AN ABSOLUTE BEAUTY!!!! I think it was off Lara or Bravo,I can't remember but all I can remember is that catch and he didn't celebrate that much did he? It was as if he always pulls of a catch like that and its not a big deal.

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Ohh come on...

Kallis proved over the last tour that he is one of the best batsmen in the world and a good bowler to boot. Freddie failed with the bat and bowled OK... Flintoff needs to prove that he can maintain form before we start touring him as a world beater... o far he's only really fired once or twice.

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Curious, isn't it: last spring it looked as if the world were awash with quality all-roiunders with Kallis, Pollock, Streak and Vettori leading the way but the likes of Flintoff, Razzaq, Gayle, Bravo, Symonds, Shoaib Malik, Razzaq, and half the NZ side all determined to join the party.

What happened?

Streak's been out.. but Kallis clearly played more as an occasional bowler in the SA series.. Pollock had an indiffferent series with the ball and an even worse one with the bat.. Flintoff, likewise, was patchy with the ball an devery inch a no 7 bat. The NZ side has been reduced to tatters by the Aussies with most of the would be all-rounders looking as if they can't bowl OR bat... and so on.

I'd guess that right now Vettori is the world's most in form all-rounder... but that's not saying a lot. Instead of looking like a crew of world beaters they are looking like a pretty ordinary bunch.

ps. what would a current World XI of all-rounders look like? Choices include (but are not limited to) Gayle, Jayasuria, Kallis, Styris, Streak, Collingwood, Symonds, Shoaib Malik, Flintoff, Razzaq, Pollock, Bravo, Taibu (can bowl), Vettori... and so on.