You the umpire

[Lemming]

Originally Posted by Mongoose

Jones is out, run out, at which point the ball becomes dead.

Originally Posted by The Laws of Cricket

LAW 38.1 BATSMAN RUN OUT
(a) Either batsman is out Run out, except as in 2 below, if at any time while the ball is in play:
(i) he is out of his ground, and
(ii) his wicket is fairly put down by the opposing side.

(b) (a) above shall apply even though No ball has been called and whether or not a run is being attempted, except in the circumstances of Law 39.3(b) (Not out Stumped).

LAW 38.2 BATSMAN NOT RUN OUT
Notwithstanding 1 above, a batsman is not out Run out if

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(b) the ball has not subsequently been touched again by a fielder, after the bowler has entered his delivery stride, before the wicket is put down.

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I'm afraid it's a little more work than that Mongoose!

[Mongoose]

Bit by bit then ...

Originally Posted by Lemming

Picture the scene, it is the final match of the Ashes and England need another 100 runs to win the series, they are 213-5. Glenn McGrath enters his delivery stride to bowl to Michael Vaughan, he's up to the wicket and bowls, his back foot is well inside the return crease (not touching) and his front foot is comfortably behind the popping crease. As he turns his arm over to bowl, the ball - still in his hand - clips the bails (which subsequently fall to the floor) at the bowler's end, Geraint Jones is out of his ground, the fielding team appeal...

Jones not out.

Originally Posted by Lemming

The ball pitches 1/4 of the way down the pitch and then again 3/4 of the way down the pitch - yet having not touched Vaughan or his bat - before reaching Vaughan. Vaughan swivels on his back foot and pulls the ball hard behind square on the leg-side. Hayden is sunbathing at leg slip, the ball hits him full on the shin, he is protected well by shin-guards under his trousers though. The ball amazingly balloons up and hits the square-leg umpire full in the forehead and continues to travel upwards...

Shin pads are equipment - so he can't be caught - not out. 5 runs awarded to the batting side.

So far so good? Or 'back to the pavilion'?

[Lemming]

Originally Posted by Mongoose

Bit by bit then ...Jones not out.

Not when McGrath knocks off the bails in his delivery stride, no! You'll have to work out the rest!

Originally Posted by Mongoose

Shin pads are equipment - so he can't be caught - not out. 5 runs awarded to the batting side.

5 runs every time shin-guards are hit? It's hardly worth wearing them!

Originally Posted by The Laws of Cricket

Law 32.3 Fair Catch
A catch shall be considered to have been fairly made if

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(d) a fielder catches the ball after it has touched ... another fielder ... . However, it is not a fair catch if the ball has touched a protective helmet worn by a fielder, although the ball remains in play.

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There is no talk of shin-guards, only helmets! Incidentally, there is no penalty of 5 runs for hitting a helmet being worn by a fielder. Only if it is not been used!

Originally Posted by Mongoose

...Or 'back to the pavilion'?

You got it!

[Aussie-Yank]

Originally Posted by Mongoose

Shin pads are equipment - so he can't be caught - not out. 5 runs awarded to the batting side.

So far so good? Or 'back to the pavilion'?

I have seen players given out after the ball hitting the wicket keepers pads and then going to first slip. So I would say that the ball was still in play, but would have gone dead once the ball hit the umpire in the head.

3. Umpire calling and signalling Dead ball
(a) When the ball has become dead under 1 above, the bowler's end umpire may call Dead ball, if it is necessary to inform the players.

(b) Either umpire shall call and signal Dead ball when
(i) he intervenes in a case of unfair play.
(ii) a serious injury to a player or umpire occurs.

[Lemming]

Haha, good call Aussie-Yank. But I never mentioned the umpire was seriously injured. Let us assume he is a tough umpire and took it on the chin (forehead).

[Aussie-Yank]

Originally Posted by Lemming

Haha, good call Aussie-Yank. But I never mentioned the umpire was seriously injured. Let us assume he is a tough umpire and took it on the chin (forehead).

Well then if the umpire did not call dead ball as he could see that the umpire had no trouble taking it on the head, then the catch to Clarke would stand. Due to the following;

3. A fair catch
A catch shall be considered to have been fairly made if

The act of making the catch shall start from the time when a fielder first handles the ball and shall end when a fielder obtains complete control both over the ball and over his own movement.

(b) the ball is hugged to the body of the catcher or accidentally lodges in his clothing or, in the case of the wicket-keeper, in his pads.
(e) a fielder catches the ball after it has touched an umpire, another fielder or the other batsman

[Lemming]

That's progress then Aussie-Yank! But it's more subtle than that! Keep trying, it'll click!

[greg]

**** Knows

It's bowls night.I won and have had a few.

[Lemming]

Originally Posted by greg

**** Knows

It's bowls night.I won and have had a few.

In that case Greg. Maybe tomorrow you can put your cricketing laws to the test and solve it tomorrow. If you want, I could edit the problem and describe a crown in the outfield?

[Mongoose]

The catch to Clarke should stand. It has laodged in his clothing, and he has then got control of the ball by picking it out, and been in control of the wya he disposes of the ball. The rest is just for show.