appendix : Aussie Rules thread

[Occasional Fan]

Harsha Bhogle is right, Zainub! The Aussies even have their own name for the language - they call it Strine.

[Zainub]

Yeah. I read that somewhere too. Strange name though.

Dictionary.com refers to strine as "australian english".

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We like to think of it as more effective English or English + some power words


cyal8er

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Originally Posted by AussieCricketLover

The Port Adelaide club have two sidesl

Yes one that has won many premierships in a "limited sub standard" backwater comp..
and another
Who after many attempts won "1" premiership in a competition that excessively favours 2 team city or single team city clubs such as (Adelaide Crows & Port Power) Adelaide , (WestCoast Eagles & Fremantle Dockers) Perth , (Sydney Swans) Sydney , (Brisbane Lions) Brisbane and I will throw in because they enjoy an unchallenged membership base in "South West Victoria" (Geelong Cats) Geelong.
On the other hand
(Carlton Blues, Collingwood Magpies, Essendon Bombers, Hawthorn Hawks, StKilda Saints, Richmond Tigers, Melbourne Demons, North Melbourne Kangaroos, and Western Bulldogs). All try to seek membership and support around that area that surrounds the
"MCG"
called Melbourne.
Lets not forget Adelaide , Perth etc wanted to join the then "Victorian Football League" VFL now called the "Australian Football League".
If in the unlikely scenario two Melbourne clubs
Collingwood & Essendon decided to start their own foundation football league outside the AFL: The AFL would collapse and the Adelaide & Perth teams would be hammering at the door to join them.
Collingwood & Essendon are much like Manchester United and Liverpool in the English Premier league, If an Adelaide club or any other club won a premiership with out them in the competition it would be regarded as a second teir trophy.
I'm not purveying my support for a club, (although I am a member of one but neither Coll or Ess)
I would not consider a flag won by my team to be worth much if it was'nt earned in the same comp as Collingwood or Essendon.

[AussieCricketLover]

OMG I cant believe you just wrote that whole lot of drivel, Essendon and Collingwood can rot in hell as far as Port Adelaide are concerned, and who gives a flying toss about the Crows???

Yes one that has won many premierships in a "limited sub standard" backwater comp..

You trying to convince the international community that the SANFL Pre AFL was a backwater comp is at best laughable
Most Victorian teams have several South Australian players including your own with Luke Darcy... Oh wait, he's your captain too coming from my end of town South Adelaide.

If it was so much a backwater competition why would the late "Teddy" hate us so much? Oh yeah thats right, cause during the State of Origin matches we whupped your butts.
Imagine if no South Australians played in the VFL
there would be no
Stephen Kernahan
John Platten
Darren Jarman
"Luke Darcy"
Nathan Buckley
Wayne Carey (who spent years playing in the SANFL, and is regarded as being the best ever player to ever have played)
Malcom Blight... the list goes on and on and on, and I'm certain that the only reasons those players played in the VFL were because Victoria had three times the population of South Australia, therefore more revenue, therefore higher match fees for the players the top four and Nathan Buckley all went to the pre South Australian AFL because of higher player monetary gains.
The fact that Victorian clubs get most of their players from the SANFL and the WAFL these days is testament that without our two states, the VFL would be rooted.

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I love two of them so much AussieCricketLover that I'm making a special trip to docklands stadium with my Western Bulldogs membership ticket to see them next Sunday

Go LUKE DARCY & ADAM COONEY you SOUTH AUSTRALIAN / BULLDOG GOOD THINGS ....

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Originally Posted by AussieCricketLover

The fact that Victorian clubs get most of their players from the SANFL and the WAFL these days is testament that without our two states, the VFL would be rooted.

Be carefull "ACL" Chris Judd, Mathew Primus and a few others are Victorians playing for WA/SA teams.
I also notice that the South Australian cricket team promotes fast bowler "Cleary" as a South Australian when the lad comes from "Mildura Victoria"
Years ago the same happenned with South Australian / Essendon footballer "Keiran Sporn" who comes from near Murrayville Victoria. I could also shunt Nathan Buckley ex Darwin and Mark Bickley ex Alice Springs in the same catagory.
Big state South Australia, seems to extend beyond its boundaries, when it suits it.
Big call trying to claim Wagga Wagga born Wayne Carey.
How about claiming Ballarat born Tony Lockett instead, because a lot of South Australians must have driven through their between Adelaide and Melbourne. I,m surprised one of you's did'nt kidnap young "Plugger" while passing through.

[Leafy Seadragon]

ACL, as a South Australia, even I wouldn't try suggesting that the SANFL was comparable to the VFL pre-AFL. The fact that the best players from the competition often went east meant that the best players were generally in the VFL. The State of Origin concept emphasised rather than diminished this fact. The number of Vic based players in the SA side was an indication of the lure of the VFL (whether it was for the money or the challenge)

Sure the SA side won a few interstate matches, but this doesn't mean that the leagues were comparable in strength - I would cite the Spanish football (soccer) league as a good example of an extremely strong league that doesn't translate into representative success. The bottom line is that the best players gravitated to the VFL, making it the best league competition

The flipside of the argument is that its also a little dubious comparing premierships from the VFL with AFL premierships and lumping the two together. Many of the best players from SA and WA didn't go interstate for numerous reasons (often career and family based) during a time when football was semi-professional. The relative class gap between AFL and VFL standards would be smaller than say the SANFL, but IMO its enough to differentiate between the two. In any case, IMO long-past glories are nice to talk about, but don't mean much when two teams run onto the park - I think that personal pride and desire to support team-mates will always count for more than pride in club history, much of which is irrelevant to players who grew up supporting other clubs (otherwise Adelaide wouldn't have won two premierships). The one area I think that club history may matter is the expectations of the fans and how that translates to club board decisions, pressure on the players and ultimately to club success

[AussieCricketLover]

I cant think of an appropriate response to either of you, cept im thinkin that Leafy is a crows fan and that acker is proud to be a fair dinkum victorian

O and the part where you said that a lot of port supporters would disagree with me there, how would you know?

ACL, as a South Australia, even I wouldn't try suggesting that the SANFL was comparable to the VFL pre-AFL. The fact that the best players from the competition often went east meant that the best players were generally in the VFL. The State of Origin concept emphasised rather than diminished this fact. The number of Vic based players in the SA side was an indication of the lure of the VFL (whether it was for the money or the challenge)

why wouldnt you compare them we had just as many good players as they did with a third of the population? lol the best players were in the VFL cause they had more money over there than here thats the only reason.
Of course your going to go where the money is and to suggest otherwise is ludicrous, challenge doesnt even compare IMO and anyway thats a different debate.

[AussieCricketLover]

o and btw, Primus couldnt even get a game for brisbane after they merged with fitzroy, now look at him... why? cause hes in sa mate and we've "HAD" to teach him how to be a champion.