Why England dont have the Ashes

[acker]

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As per private email I received.

[Occasional Fan]

You've lost me completely.

[Maranello]

What are you on about acker? This must be a joke of some sort, or a delayed All Fools' Day prank?

Are you seriously suggesting England lost the Ashes during the 1990s because of something that happened in a one-off game in 1977? So what about the fact that England actually won the Ashes a few times after that Centenary Test, and during most of the 1980s, were the better team - more professional, with better cricketers and often, a well-rounded team ethic?

The Centenary Test was just a match; there have been hundreds of others, we should get over it.. after all, it has been almost 30 years, before most of us were even born! Next you will be suggesting England are losing because they are still traumatised by Don Bradman, and that Harmison routinely wakes up in a cold sweat imagining the Don is tonking him around St James' Park?

[acker]

Yeah!

it was a big match !

then they tried to have another one at "Lords" that was a draw !

I suppose the 1966 world cup at Wembley was just another soccer match ! nothin to get exited about.

Australia has won and drawn a centenary test against England.

England has just drawn one.

Derek Randall allmost swung the pendulam towards England, but unfortunately even his greatness could not carry deadweight's such as Bob Woolmer and Keith Fletcher over the line.

The rest of the England team put up a valiant performance.

Bob Woolmer and Keith Fletcher did not deserve to be in the side.

[Occasional Fan]

Certainly no-one I have heard talking about football since 1968 has suggested that the 1966 World Cup Final (which was, yes, just a football match) has any effect on either England or Germany's performance in 21st century football. I think you need to take a lie down, Acker, old chap! Maybe after a sleep you'll remember it's 2005 now!

[Maranello]

Originally Posted by acker

I suppose the 1966 world cup at Wembley was just another soccer match ! nothin to get exited about.

Completely unrelated analogy; that was the final of the leading competition in that sport, and it established which team had the right to call itself "World Champion" for the next four years. The Centenary Test established nothing of the sort; you could argue that within a year or so of it, both England and Australia were completely eclipsed by Lloyds' all-conquering West Indies.

In any case, England have lost numerous times to Germany in soccer since 1966, despite winning the WC Final. Shows that it was not such a watershed after all.

[acker]

Originally Posted by Occasional Fan

Certainly no-one I have heard talking about football since 1968 has suggested that the 1966 World Cup Final (which was, yes, just a football match) has any effect on either England or Germany's performance in 21st century football. I think you need to take a lie down, Acker, old chap! Maybe after a sleep you'll remember it's 2005 now!

Sometimes a game is more important than others.
Sometimes certain players succeed or fail in those more important games.
In this one.
Derek Randall, Dennis Lillee, Rod Marsh and Deniss Amiss suceeded.
Keith Fletcher and Bob Woolmer failed hopelesly. (and hence were the major reason for the England loss)

"OF" . I still pressume your FA Cup will produce a winner, not just 2 good even drawn teams with a nil result?

[Occasional Fan]

Originally Posted by acker

Derek Randall, Dennis Lillee, Rod Marsh and Deniss Amiss suceeded.
Keith Fletcher and Bob Woolmer failed hopelesly. (and hence were the major reason for the England loss)

I can't argue with that, because I don't remember it. And I am older than anyone now playing for England. Corollary: none of them can remember it either. Therefore it can hardly be affecting them.

Originally Posted by acker

"OF" . I still pressume your FA Cup will produce a winner, not just 2 good even drawn teams with a nil result?

Of course - the rules of the competition preclude a draw, at least after a replay. But will the result affect Manchester United or Arsenal's performance or prospects in 2033? Of course not. Yet that is what you are suggesting of the Centenary Test. Like I said above, you've lost me.

[acker]

might affect their prospects 28 yrs from now; ala Southampton! or Leeds!

who's not to say that this years FA cup result may or may not affect the future.

Arsenal's still in the Premier league Sheffield Wednesdays not !
Man Utd kicked on to a European Champions win Crystal Palace did'nt!
Denis Wise played for 3 different FA cup contesting team's and Laurie Sanchez became a hero: Their opposing Liverpool players became no-body's.

Big games affect everybody.

[Occasional Fan]

Originally Posted by OF

I can't argue with that

Moving on, I'm not going to bother arguing with this any more. You're on a different planet from me as far as this is concerned, Acker, and we're neither of us going to progress towards agreement on the point. I don't object to your holding your opinion on this: I just can't begin to understand it.