Television Programs Thread

[Lemming]

Originally Posted by Beny

How do you define good and evil

My comment "Good always triumphs over evil" wasn't neccessarily serious on the whole. With respect to WWII I don't think it's too hard to see Hitler's Nazi Regime as the evil party.

[Kirsty Harris]

So, this Saturday is not only features the excitment of the England and Australia One Day Final, but also the Live8 concerts from all around the world. Coverage all day on the BBC, by the looks of it. Not sure what I make of it, to be honest, and I can't help but think I'm liable to be muttering under my breath 'it's not as good as the last one' much as I did with the new version of 'Do they know it's Christmas'. Still, might be worth checking out a few of the groups.....I'm quite interested to see UB40 on the bill, haven't seen them around for ages.

Think I'll mainly be sticking to the cricket, however, but good on Bob Geldof for banging the same drum for all these years!

[Maranello]

Originally Posted by Kirsty Harris

good on Bob Geldof for banging the same drum for all these years!

The mere fact that a drum is banged continuously for years does not nececssarily make it a virtuous drum

[greg]

Won't be watching the Live8 concert while the cricket is on,to me that is more important.If the governments in these African countries didn't waste all their cash on arms then we wouldn't need to do this fundraising event.

[Kirsty Harris]

Hi Greg, it's acutally not about fundraising, it's about raising awareness and trying to persuade the rich countries of the world to take more responsiblity for financially crippling the 3rd and 2nd world countries of the world with stupid debt-repayments and rubbish trade deals.

The wealthy countries of the world have been screwing over the rest of the world for hundreds of years and people need to accept that this is true. It is our country (and others) that have helped those governments you talk about get power, because it suited the goverment to have them there at one time.

Never forget, for instance, that it was the USA who supported Saddam Hussain in the days of the Iran/Iraq conflict.

It isn't just about Africa either.

And frankly, as much as I may be sceptical about elements of the concert myself, there is no way on earth a game of cricket is more important than the lives of billions of people around the world. If I felt that England losing that game (hell, all their games for the next 20 years) would magically allow all these problems to be solved in exchange I would do it without a moments thought.

[Maranello]

Originally Posted by Kirsty Harris

there is no way on earth a game of cricket is more important than the lives of billions of people around the world.

Quite. However, the concert has as little, or as much, to do with the lives of billions of people around the world as the game of cricket, and the latter at least is generally entertaining and interesting, and not comprised entirely of talentless ignoramuses.

If I felt that England losing that game (hell, all their games for the next 20 years) would magically allow all these problems to be solved in exchange I would do it without a moments thought.

Noble sentiments indeed, and ones with which few decent people should disagree. You certainly have my support if such a deal is ever brought to the table, and I am even happy to replace England with Pakistan.

[Lemming]

I'm not starting an argument about Live8 (even though I do have strong opinions on it), I'd be here all day. Personally I'm going to watch the concert from a music fans point of view. Paul McCartney is maybe my favourite artist of all time and I heard apparently he will open the concert with Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (the lyrics work quite well, he may tweak them accordingly). I don't mind a bit of UB40 (Lemming sings "Red, red wine!"), Dido, Snow Patrol, Scissor Sisters as well as a bit of Razorlight and Pink Floyd.

There will, however, be a number of acts I will definitely be turning off for: Bob Geldof, U2, Mariah Carey, Snoop Dogg, Robbie Williams, Madonna, Elton John, Coldplay, Ms Dynamite and Sting, to name but a few!

[Milo]

Idealism.

If anyone thinks Pink Floyd reuniting is anything to do with 'third world awareness' instead of trying to stimulate their record sales then they are well and truly mistaken.

Listen to any of the world leading environmental/ecological economists (or the researchers at CGIAR or Worldbank) and they will tell you cancelling the third world debt will make absolutely no difference to the people dying in countries in Africa and the like whatsoever.

If the leader of South Africa would begin to agree with medical opinion that HIV actually leads to AIDS, this might be a better start.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Maranello

The mere fact that a drum is banged continuously for years does not nececssarily make it a virtuous drum

But it is more likely that one will realise their dreams.

[Lemming]

Originally Posted by Maranello

...comprised entirely of talentless ignoramuses...

Hey come on! That's a bit unfair, remember Shakira is performing in Paris as well as Mick Fly in Tokyo!

Now apologise! Go on, say sorry!