Why Australia will win the Ashes - a winners mentality.

[Trescothick]

Originally Posted by Beny

The Aussies or your first five batsmen?

Yeah because your batsmen really set the world alight that game didn't they!!

[greg]

Originally Posted by Trescothick

Yeah because your batsmen really set the world alight that game didn't they!!

And today

[Kirsty Harris]

A further commanding demonstration of Australia's winners mentaility was exhibited today...

Unfortunatly for the Aussies it was demonstrated by England

[Trescothick]

Originally Posted by Kirsty Harris

A further commanding demonstration of Australia's winners mentaility was exhibited today...

Unfortunatly for the Aussies it was demonstrated by England

hehehe... Good one

[Seamer]

You are still missing the point of the original thread starter. Australia, unlike England, do not accept anything but victory. Does'nt mean they don't lose sometimes though. The situation would have been somewhat different had England batted first in those conditions, but hey, ODI's are a lottery and you don't have another four days to make up for a bad start

[Cliff-UK]

Originally Posted by Beny

Welcome to the ODI scene. England got lucky. Jones got lucky. How many times was he nearly out.

hello - . we won that Lords match. you know that, really. the aussies looked lost children at the end. it was just on a technicality that you tied. traditionally, one day matches are decided on wickets ifthe teams cn't be parted on runs scored. We were 33-5 only becausew e got over confident against the aussie attack. Once we reined that in, the Austrlian bowlers were blunted and lacking ideas. You couldn't sort our tailenders out.

still - the Headingley game was a tiny bit more clear cut wasn't it? I think it's amusing you have got such a one-eyed approach to it. You can't believe your team may be beaten. Face it, they're second best to England so far this summer.

McGrath looked very ordinary, Lee was ineffective, Gillespie dished up rubbish. You will lose the Test series if they don't buck up. And I don't think they will. The Test batsmen also look ordinary. And don't forget we have Hoggard in the wings who is every bit as good as Harmison and takes as many if not more wickets.

[Rachael]

Originally Posted by Cliff-UK

McGrath looked very ordinary, Lee was ineffective, Gillespie dished up rubbish. You will lose the Test series if they don't buck up.

Come on: Harmison and Flintoff couldn't pitch the ball in the right areas either... the pick of the bowlers yesterday... indeed the only bowler on either side to consistently put the ball in the right place... was Collingwood. His figures reflect the way he bowled (well)... but it was the sort of pitch on which a bowler like Caddick would have been almost unplayable.... and ALL the frontline seamers made a hash of it.

So long as the bowlers on either side feed the back-foot strengths of the top-order players on either side by dropping the ball 2-3 yards short of a good length this nonsense is going to continue...

[Cliff-UK]

Originally Posted by Rachael

Come on: Harmison and Flintoff couldn't pitch the ball in the right areas either... the pick of the bowlers yesterday.. was Collingwood. but it was the sort of pitch on which a bowler like Caddick would have been almost unplayable.... and ALL the frontline seamers made a hash of it.

yeah - Harmy and Flintoff didn't do too well, but they didn't do too badly and they got wickets. and we have got Hoggard to come. Australia couldn't get any wickets and they haven't got anything up their sleeve. I think it's time we dared to think they are beatable. They're certainly no longer the Unbeatables. Remember no-one couldbelievethe Great West Indies team which had dominated cricket for so long, cd be beaten by Australia. no-one stays on top forever.

As a Durham supporter, I know just how good Collingwood is.

[Cliff-UK]

Originally Posted by Seamer

You are still missing the point of the original thread starter. Australia, unlike England, do not accept anything but victory.

I think the point is that you're missing the point of sport. Sport is there to be played actually. The "winning is everything" ethos is a little sad. And your head in the sand mentality about the fact that your bunch of winners has turned into a bunch of losers means you'll never really see that.

The English national identity doesn't rely upon its sporting prowess (luckily). But surely it cannot be the be all and end all in Australia. Theree's a lot mor to your country than that. It's only sport, mate.

[Seamer]

Originally Posted by Cliff-UK

I think the point is that you're missing the point of sport. Sport is there to be played actually. The "winning is everything" ethos is a little sad. .

Cliff, before you fall off your high horse, go clean up your posts that contridict this high and mighty stance.

Originally Posted by Cliff-UK

And your head in the sand mentality about the fact that your bunch of winners has turned into a bunch of losers means you'll never really see that. .

Lose one ODI and we are suddenly losers?

Originally Posted by Cliff-UK

The English national identity doesn't rely upon its sporting prowess (luckily). It's only sport, mate.

Hmmmm. Cant remember the last time we had nationwide tickertape parades and players getting knighted for winning a world cup ie your union team. Need i say anymore about the English, how can i say it, extraordinary passion for soccer. "it's only a game" and "it's not if you win the game, but how you play it" were phrases coined by sorry buggers who were just trying to make themselves feel better because they always lost.

Originally Posted by Cliff-UK

But surely it cannot be the be all and end all in Australia. Theree's a lot mor to your country than that.

Tell me about it. That's why so many people want to immigrate here. High wages and living standards, affordable housing, low unemployment, beautiful places to vist and beautiful weather to visit them in. I've seen the world and always cant wait to get home. Does'nt mean i don't care if my national teams do well or not. I love sport and it is always far more fun if the team you support wins, don' you agree?