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[flanflinger]

Right here we go

Off-spinner or finger spinner (batty, Murali) stock ball turns from off to leg - an Off Break. Variant arm-ball straight on. Doorsa leg to off - leg-break

Leg-spinner or wrist spinner (Warne, mushtaq) stock ball turns from leg to off - leg break. Variant top-spinner/Flipper straight on. Googly off to leg - off-break

SLA or left arm orthodox - (Giles, Boje) stock ball turns from leg to off - leg break. Variant arm-ball straight on.

Chinnaman or left arm un-orthodox - (Bevan) stock ball turns from off to leg - an Off Break, Variant top-spinner/Flipper straight on. Variant Googly leg to off - leg-break

Googly bowler - Right arm - stock ball googly turns from off to leg - off-break. Variant top-spinner/Flipper. Variant leg-break, leg to off - leg break

Googly bowler - left arm (Adams) stock ball googly turns from leg to off - leg break. Variant top-spinner/Flipper. Variant chinaman, off to leg - off break

[Milo]

The important thing to remember though FF, is that the SLA orthodox bowler and the off-spinner are both finger spinners and the chinaman/leg spinners are both wrist spinners. They might move the ball different ways, but that is only because the ball is coming out of different sides of the body (left or right). They essentially have the same grip. The SLA still releases the ball from the inside of the hand, turning the hand away from the body (just like the off spinner).

[flanflinger]

True... I assumed that knowledge and therefore did not explicitly state it


also important to note is that the right arm finger and wrist spinners traditionally bowl over the wicket, as does the left arm chinaman. While the SLA bowler (apart from Giles) mostly bowls round the wicket. one of the other factors that make's Adams odd is that he tends to bowl round the wicket.

[Milo]

Originally Posted by Ernest

It is confusing, I was even more confused one day, when Tuffers was described as a off spin bowler on the telly.

Ern

Ern, this is because when discussing left arm bowlers you must assume that the batsman is left handed for the sense of consistency. Therefore, Tufnell is essentially an off spin bowler - he turns it into the batsman.

[flanflinger]

True, it also depends on which way the batsman bats. A stock-ball from Warne is a leg-break to a right hander and an off-break to a left.


Cric-info defines Adams as Slow Left-Arm Chinaman by the way

http://uk.cricinfo.com/db/PLAYERS/RS...S_PR_03002234/

Originally Posted by CricInfo

Paul Adams broke onto the scene as an 18-year-old with his “frog in a blender” action that so tormented England when they visited South Africa in 1995-96. The action itself contributed to his burgeoning wicket-haul for at least a year as batsmen were hopelessly caught in the blurry glare of the impossible contortion. But as soon as the element of surprise wore off, Adams often suffered for a lack of variety. When first discovered by former South Africa great Eddie Barlow, Adams knew nothing of googlies and chinamen, calling his deliveries simply “inspinners” and “outspinners”.

[Ernest]

Yeah why does a left arm wrist spinner,(Adams) bowl round the wicket, does not make sense, he will find it hard to bowl anyone, unless the ball turns a mile from outside the off stump, and getting an LBW would be almost imossible.

Giles, I think he likes to bowl over the wicket if possible, this started in our last tour of India, when he was cririsised for bowling this way (negative), at times he seems reluctent to bowl round the wicket, where he shoud be if the ball is turning.

I think Giles like to bowl over the wicket, so he can exploit the bowlers scuff marks.

Is a Chinaman not a ball, that is bowled out of the back of the hand, and does not turn at all, if anything hurries on to the bat?, could be wrong.
Ern

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by flanflinger

Cric-info defines Adams as Slow Left-Arm Chinaman by the way

More confused now, what does cricinfo mean, I could be wrong but I have never heard of a bowler just bowling a "Chinaman", wonder if it means he "also"bowls "Chinaman"
Ern

[Milo]

He bowls round the wicket because he usually turns the ball into the right hander. He therefore pitches it outside off stump and turns it in towards the stumps (which would be much harder to do if he came over the wicket). LBW decisions would be as easy as a right hand off-spinner getting one.

[Milo]

Originally Posted by Ernest

More confused now, what does cricinfo mean, I could be wrong but I have never heard of a bowler just bowling a "Chinaman", wonder if it means he "also"bowls "Chinaman"
Ern

Ern, a chinaman is the left arm equivalent of the right handed leg spinner. It means the ball turns across the bowlers' body (foget the batsman). Warne turns it right to left. Adams turns it left to right.

[flanflinger]

Originally Posted by Ernest

Yeah why does a left arm wrist spinner,(Adams) bowl round the wicket, does not make sense, he will find it hard to bowl anyone, unless the ball turns a mile from outside the off stump, and getting an LBW would be almost imossible.

Because his stock ball is the googly (i.e. spinning the same way as a SLA)

As Milo states a Chinaman is the name for a left-arm wrist spinner