England v Australia -Natwest Final- Lords

[Beny]

Originally Posted by RJ

The beamer is when the ball slips out the hand and is never a ball that curves towards the batsman's head at 90 mph, unless deliberate.

Originally Posted by Oliver

I think it's jolly hard to do it by accident, unless you're a completely useless bowler, and I've seen plenty of those in Sunday friendly cricket, but they're usually pretty slow.

Dont label people as cheaters when you dont have a clue what you are talking about. If Lee was already holding the ball for an inswinger then it still would have swung when it slipped out of his hand. It's very easy to bowl a beamer... At Lee's pace it is always a possibility. As for his tendancy to bowl them. He has done it three times now... In his whole carrer, all three times in circumstances where it's difficult to bowl. The first time he did it the Pakistani's nearly had one of their bowlers sent off for bowling beamers at about 130 km/h

Lee famously can't stand the sight of blood and has a virtual heart attack every time he hits somebody.

[Beny]

Originally Posted by Lemming 55495

Surely 3/4 of a second earlier, Lee was still about three paces away from his delivery? 3/4 of a second is a long time? Considering it take 0.4 - 0.5 seconds to react to a delivery, those 3/4 of a second would have given Trescothick 1 1/4 seconds to react to the beamer, he could have been 5 yards away knowing that the ball was going to fly over his stumps, or even set himself up for some sort of cut!

Lemming... For the record 3/4 of a second was me giving my estimation. I'm probebly wrong... It's not very long let me assure you.

[Lemming]

Originally Posted by Beny

Lemming... For the record 3/4 of a second was me giving my estimation. I'm probebly wrong... It's not very long let me assure you.

I was using your estimation of 3/4 of a second, which is poor as far as estimations go. There's no probably about it. If you think the difference in release between a beamer and a yorker is 3/4 of a second, then you are definitely wrong, hence I explained why you are wrong!

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Beny

The first time he did it the Pakistani's nearly had one of their bowlers sent off for bowling beamers at about 130 km/h

You implying that it was some sort of reprisal?

[Beny]

No. I'm implying that even the medium pacer was having difficulty with the conditions on the day.

[Lemming]

Originally Posted by Beny

Remember that the difference between a yorker and a Beamer is about 3/4 of a second.

I wondered what that meant, Beny, then Victor Frankenstein explained and I used his explanation:

Originally Posted by Victor Frankenstein

...he [Beny] means if you let it go 3/4 of a second early it comes out at beamer height instead of yorker length...

I then concluded that if the ball was released 3/4 of a second earlier then that would obviously give Tresco 3/4 of a second more time to react. All I said was that was a long time, what I said was correct, using your estimate. I used your figures!

[Beny]

I know Lemming... I'm just saying that I suck at maths and it was an estimate. In reality though it is less time than the batsmen has to react to the bowl.

[Lemming]

Just looking at the beamer again, it really looks as though the ball definitely slipped out of Lee's hand. If it was intentional it would have been hard for him to control the "slip". The replay also shows quite clearly Lee saying "Sorry mate" to the floored Trescothick. Once again I must credit Trescothick's reaction, he simply got up and dusted himself down and carried on, seemingly accepting the apology. It was blatently an accident.

That is one of the wierd thing in cricket I have often wondered about. When facing a beamer, even the best batsman must be shook up, it's the last thing you expect, plus it's dangerous and potentially life-threatening (e.g. a hit on the heart). The wierd thing is, you have been shook up with an illegal ball. That would leave you probably un-composed for the next ball, worried maybe it'll happen some other time, then you could quite well lose your wicket. I suppose it's just one of those things.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Lemming

The replay also shows quite clearly Lee saying "Sorry mate" to the floored Trescothick.

I'm not saying it was intentional, but it's easy to stick up your hand and say sorry when you're not the guy on the receiving end

[Lemming]

A funny thing is that his very next ball is nowhere near Trescothick at all! It was half way down the pitch and passed Trescothick about six feet wide of him! If I were Lee then I'd do exactly the same thing!