NatWest Challenge 2005/1st match-Headingley Thursday 7th July.

[Lemming]

Originally Posted by John

How many county hundreds has he [Collingwood] got?

Paul David Collingwood has played 111 first-class games (including 2 tests), he has batted in 193 innings (4 in tests), remaining not out no less than 13 times (0 in tests) - 6.74% of all innings. His 5,667 runs (89) have come at an average of 31.48 (22.25). His highest score to date is 190 (36) and he has notched up 10 hundreds as well as 31 fifties (conversion rate: 24.39%).

It's always nice to get the statistics out there for people to see!

[cantplaycantalk]

3 centuries this year 2 in CC one in a ODI.

Colly was a late developer and has suffered from playing in a very weak Durham side for many years on a seamer friendly pitch. Stats only tell part of the story.

[Victor Frankenstein]

great result by england, i asked before they batted if they had learnt from saturdays debacle and it would seem that on this occasion they have, so i applaud them from it, it's no sin to make a mistake, but to not learn from it is.

Glad to see trescothick get some runs, i am a fierce critic of his, but only because he clearly has the ability to score heavily against any attack, just not the mental focus to get past the first 30mins without luck guiding him.

We did have the conditions on our side to an extent, still made heavy going of it, but how many times have we seen england lose the toss, put into bat, ball seams all over the place, completely unplayable, all out for 150ish, then the sun comes out, the wicket turns into tarmac and the opposition proceed to put on 650-2 declared. About time we had the luck (toss) go our way for once!

I have to say that i'm a fan of ricky pontings style of 'fair play' australia rather than waugh's 'win at all costs even if it means cheating' style, but i was annoyed at his comments that over emphasised how much the conditions helped us. When we get beaten by the conditions it's because we're rubbish, when others get beaten it's just luck of the coin.. bad losers.

[Victor Frankenstein]

on the collingwood front, as a batsman over the last year or so i think he's shown he's the man for a crisis, when the boundaries have dried up and the fielders are all around, he can get singles and rotate the strike, just like a certain graham thorpe.. which makes me wonder that if thorpe's back doesn't get any better, maybe colly would be a better like for like middle order replacement?

[Aussie-Yank]

Originally Posted by Victor Frankenstein

but i was annoyed at his comments that over emphasised how much the conditions helped us. When we get beaten by the conditions it's because we're rubbish, when others get beaten it's just luck of the coin.. bad losers.

By the way Vaughan's comment was that the conditions helped England with there bowling and improved when they batted. There was no real difference in both captains opinions of the conditions.

[Seamer]

Blind Freddy could see that the wicket played much better in the second innings. That said, the wicket was still helpful to the bowlers and the fact that England won so convincingly meant they were deserved winners. A lesser team than England could still have lost that game to the Aussies.

[Victor Frankenstein]

Originally Posted by Aussie-Yank

By the way Vaughan's comment was that the conditions helped England with there bowling and improved when they batted. There was no real difference in both captains opinions of the conditions.

I know he said the same thing, but it's the way he said it. Just seemed to me like he begrudgingly added at the end that we played well too and it wasn't just the conditions, at 68-0 they didn't seem to be having too much problem.

[greg]

Originally Posted by Seamer

Blind Freddy could see that the wicket played much better in the second innings. That said, the wicket was still helpful to the bowlers and the fact that England won so convincingly meant they were deserved winners. A lesser team than England could still have lost that game to the Aussies.

England would have lost that game last year,shows how much we have improved.Though we still have a long way to go to challenge in the World Cup.

[Aussie-Yank]

Originally Posted by Victor Frankenstein

I know he said the same thing, but it's the way he said it. Just seemed to me like he begrudgingly added at the end that we played well too and it wasn't just the conditions, at 68-0 they didn't seem to be having too much problem.

Yes, I state firstly England played the conditions better than Australai and they deserved to win. Having said that, the conditions Australia batted in did not allow Australia to make a large score (Add 50 runs to that score), This allowed England to play the way they did, bat out the early overs and keep the wickets. One form of the pressure was not able to be pushed as the conditions got better for batting.

IMO, it was a game who won the toss wins the match. Australia got one of those games early in the world cup against India. I think it was there 2 game and India where rolled for 127. The conditions improved and we came out and scored the runs with out loss or 1 down.

This happens and this was one of those games. But the new rules, to me did not change the game for me. It was still a rather boring game by the 15th over in Englands innings as you could see that England would win.