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| ODI Archived Threads 2005 Onwards. One day cricket. |
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| The standard this year as been poor thus far, Austraia have got of to some decentish starts, then collapsed, only to be saved by the lower middle order. Ponting and Vaughan have both been poor, but I would give the point to Vaughan as a captain. Flintoff has not been that good as a bat, top scoring with 44, Trescothick was dropped, but then again the match before, Flintoff had a player dropped of his bowling, but these things even themselves out. I agee with a lot you say, has the standard of cricket has seen to have fallen, has players got older, have England got better, and both teams are cancelling each other out?. Trescothich has come good. Gilchist will get better Flintoff has leared to seam the ball Harmison has bowled well. Lee has improved Has G O Jones done enough with his match saving innings. Strauss and Hayden, up in the air. Giles has not had a chance. Australia have Slater and Warne to come for the Tests, England have Thorpe-key/Bell and Hoggard, then who makes way for Hoggard, Simon Jones?. I am glad I never put money on the outcome of the Ashes. I suspect the cricket will be dour, rather than that poor a standard. One thing not long ago, Flintoff and Harmison was the toast of England, and the Aussies were invincible, I even heard great mentioned.
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| Tresco wasn't dropped by Gilchrist.. Your confusing him with Strauss... Tresco was caught by Mcgrath on a no-ball however things woulkd have been slightly if it was a correct bowl and even if they weren't it doesnt matter.. Its cricket and he made a stunning innings. He was also caught on 80 when he edged but these things happn... |
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| England are seemingly dominant. The tables have turned now. World no 1 will no longer be you Aussies. Its quite obvious that except for Hussey and an ever aging McGrath Australia are past it. Rebuild for the future. The Ashes are coming home |
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| Who the hell are you.Are you really an Islander? If so please be a bit more specific with your replies. Just so I can understand them! |
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The powerful English bowlers have the Aussies on the run. You can almost see the fear in the Australian batsmens eyes when Harmison runs in to bowl. They have never had to face such pace and bounce before and coupled with such ancanny line and length, they almost look relieved when they get out. Jones looks like a lion that has just noticed some juicy gazelles. And Flintoff has been waiting for this oppurtunity for a long time, and knows exactly where to bowl the ball to exploit each batsmens weaknesses. After some early complacency, the English openers are now applying themselves, and play even McGrath with relative ease. Lee, they just know that the loose balls will come and put them away with ease. The others they put away with distain and ease. Vaughan is back to his classsy besy. KP, well, is KP. And collingwood and Jones probably hope for a little collapse just so they can show there wares off with the bat. Vaughan is out-captaining Ponting in all areas. His bowling changes are spot on - always ensuring that the bowler that can best exploit the Aussie weaknesses is on. He has certainly done his homework. Unlike Ponting, he has welded the English team into a single irresistable force. Ponting on the other hand, has 11 different egos off on different tangents with absolutely no cohesion. The English in the field just oozes vigor and competance. Rarely a misfield or dropped catch and guys like Collingwood give the feeling of sudden death with either a brilliant catch or breathtaking runout. The Aussies look, well, old........ The English should hammer the Aussies in the remaining one-dayers. And i fail to see any possible way they will not win the ashes 3 or 4 nil. I will not get annoyed with the Aussies - they will try their best - but rather will sit back and enjoy the display of skill and precision put on by the English
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| Are England dominant? Well if we keep playing on grounds where the ball seams off the pitch then yes they will be. I've heard alot of questions being asked of our bowling after that match but really I dont think it means much at all. Aside from the fact that the Poms had the better conditions e.g cloudcover. The exagerated swing and seam would have suited the likes of Harmison and Flintoff much more than their Aussie counterparts. McGrath and less so Lee, rely on subtle movement of the ball and anybody who watched the other day will realise that it was almost impossible to control the silly bloody thing. Tresco and Strauss (at least while I was watching) both looked uncomfortable early against these two who were very unlucky in a few cases. How many times did a ball that would normaly have caught the edge, instead fly to first slip... Yes Gilespie was still disapointing but I still dont think this is a sign of 'English Dominance'. Here is what I am seeing. England are relying on Harmison and Flintoff to not only take wickets but also keep the runs down. Out of those two Harmison is not being consistant enough to be sucsessfull in the tests. Most of his wickets have come from either luck or the disiease that is ODI run scoring i.e Aussie batsmen trying to keep the run rate above 5 an over. That is all very good in ODI but wont work in tests. Flintoff has been the shining light for England. In the batting department the English top order still look uncomfortable against McGrath and Lee. If and When Gillespie gets it right there is going to be hell to pay as the English top order have relied on poor bowling from him in order to score runs which have been hard to come by with the others. The Aussie batsmen have looked comfortable against the English Bowlers. It is difficult to ascertain from the last game how they have been proforming but all in all it has been undisiplened play rather than lack of ability that has stopped them scoring.
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| Australia win toss and put England in, makes the Aussies favourites i think. England still have yet to show they can judge how to set a score, and i'd expect that to be a crucial factor. |
10-07-2005, 10:00 AM
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| Good point YBF, England are statistically half as likely to win setting a score under MV as chasing - I was a bit surprised that the Aussies choose to stick us in and took it as a signal that they lack a little confidence! For me, the big questions today revolve around the Aussie bowling. I expect a close contest on a beautiful day here in London.
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| We played ourselves in and also played ourselves out all playing ODI shots except Vaughan who was ODI. Lets just see what Pietersen and Flintoff do... hmmmmmmmmmmmm |
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