Australia v West Indies - 3rd Test: Adelaide - 25-29 November

[Ninjaman]

Originally Posted by Maranello

Might be a very long wait!

Who are the umpires giving these 'inconsisent' or 'poor' decisions? The worst offenders, namely Hair and Koertzen, are both in Lahore, so who have you guys got?

I heard Aleem Dar got into some controversy with the extremely biased Australian TV commentators (eg Taylor) over a decision in favour of the West Indies which appeared perfectly fine on replays (and hence the apparent annoyance of some of the Aussie team and commentators, perhaps some of them are not used to close calls going against them in their own backyard! )

I don't expect to ever see it happen. Just making a comment to all those who toss the line out.

I am yet to recall any of the Australian wickets going in anything close to a controversial manner, yet WI has had close to 10 dismissals that are either plain wrong or due to the batsman not being given the benefit of the doubt.

Koertzen did the first 2 Tests with Howell and Dar, now Dar is doing this with Bowden.

Put it this way, if this level of poor decisions (and the lopsided distribution thereof) had occured in the Ashes just gone, then there would be clamourings and a change of rules.

As for the commentary from this Channel 9 crew, it is not even worth talking about. They are too biased.

[Maranello]

I am afraid I do agree with you on both points Ninjaman - it is sad that a sport such is cricket can be marred, on occasion, by such 'lopsided' umpiring even in this day and age of neutral umpires.

It is particularly sad in the current WI-Aus series - it is not as if the teams were evenly matched to start off with!

[cliff gladwin]

A bit late to put me two penneth worth in...but the umpiring WAS shocking during this series..... particularly against the windies.........i can only recall one going against the aussies..i thought Hodge `s LBW in his first test innings was a little high...but that was about it.

The intimidation of the aussie players...the constant appealing & questioning of the umpires seemed to have the desired effect...

Some of the decisions were laughable even with the naked eye....the sarwan LBW wouldn`t have hit another set of stumps.........But maybe Lee`s celebration, before the appeal, swung the "i want to be friends with all the players" Mr Bowden.

appauling luck for the Windies...no doubt they would still have lost......but these decisions do make a difference...i mean Lara was triggered 3 out of 4.

intimidation of umpires should be an instant fine.....the umpire shouldn`t have to give a reason for a dismissal.....and Derbyshire should be allowed a 60 point start next county season....oops where`d that come from??

[bert higgins]

The windies are a very poor side these days, barely better than bangers and th Zimbas - wast of time playing them really. Their bowling is a positive embarrassment

[Zainub]

Aparently Cliff, Aussies don't reckon there is such a thing is umpire intimidation and instead believe that they've got a God given right to question every decesion the umpire makes, sometimes Ponting goes up to the umpire from his fielding position to have a chat with the ump when an appeal is turned down and at other times Warnie continues the chat even after an over has been bowled! They just think that it's their right.

ps: interesting footnote on this point, in 36 ( I think ) innings on home soil, Adam Gilchrist has never been given out LBW.

[Ninjaman]

Originally Posted by bert higgins

The windies are a very poor side these days, barely better than bangers and th Zimbas - wast of time playing them really. Their bowling is a positive embarrassment

I guess the WI could have said playing England was a waste of time 20 years ago when England could barely win a game against them or when WI beat Australia in one series without losing a single 2nd innings wicket.

But then class and respect shifts when the boot is on the other foot.

[Ninjaman]

Originally Posted by cliff gladwin

A bit late to put me two penneth worth in...but the umpiring WAS shocking during this series..... particularly against the windies.........i can only recall one going against the aussies..i thought Hodge `s LBW in his first test innings was a little high...but that was about it.

Thank You, cliff. I at least I know I'm not going mad and did see what I saw.

The intimidation of the aussie players...the constant appealing & questioning of the umpires seemed to have the desired effect...

It sure did.

Some of the decisions were laughable even with the naked eye....the sarwan LBW wouldn`t have hit another set of stumps.........But maybe Lee`s celebration, before the appeal, swung the "i want to be friends with all the players" Mr Bowden.

A joke of an umpire if there has ever been one.

appauling luck for the Windies...no doubt they would still have lost......but these decisions do make a difference...i mean Lara was triggered 3 out of 4.

Yes, WI would probably still have lost but at least let them lose fairly.

intimidation of umpires should be an instant fine.....the umpire shouldn`t have to give a reason for a dismissal.....and Derbyshire should be allowed a 60 point start next county season....oops where`d that come from??

Anyway, check this out:

After realising the poor conduct of his team and the number of poor decisions that just happened to go his team's way in the series, Ponting says:

"I have never been a big fan of technology just for the simple fact that the technology that has been used and trialled (by the International Cricket Council) over last few years hasn't been accurate enough anyway to give you conclusive evidence on dismissal."

But after the Super Series, a month or so earlier:

"I've been pretty impressed with the way it [technology] has worked during the one-day series and certainly in this Test match."

[cliff gladwin]

I seem to recall during the aussie/rest of world test match (er... test farce) that Ponting had a go at Taufel for even referring an LBW decision to the 3rd umpire......questioning how can he possibly think it was out when it was clearly missing leg stump.....& that he was wasting time etc etc

Amazingly, both commentators at the time agreed the said appeal WAS out....he should`ve been given......(i think Murali was the bowler??).......but even more amazingly, the 3rd umpire gave it not out.....was he intimidated by Pontings words too???...........they were clearly heard over the mike.

Shane Warne, great bowler that he is.... has probably gained around a 100 plus of his wickets...probably more with questionable decisions through tactical use of the umpiring!!.

[Zainub]

The sad bit is that the ICC will never do anything about it.

[cliff gladwin]

I think that`s true Zainub.....& yet it wouldn`t take a pythagoras (left arm round the wicket , Greece) to work out a solution...how`s this..

umpires need only say "out" or "not out"...that`s it.....simple.

any player wishing to go into argument over a decsion is fined by the match referee/umpire/3rd umpire...possibly suspended......... the same with excessive appealing.....it`ll soon make the players think twice.

or we just place gags on the entire Australian team!!