Michael Vaughan out of Pakistan ODIs

[Occasional Fan]

Michael Vaughan will take no part in the forthcoming ODI series against Pakistan, instead undergoing exploratory knee surgery,

BBC report here.

[honestbharani]

This is a blow for England. He isn't the best ODI batter around, but England could have needed his experience and steadying influence.

[Rachael]

It seems to me that in terms of the build up to the World Cup... England could do with quite a few cases of senior players going missing: thus far the only batsmen who are definitely looking like top ODI players are as follows:

Tresco
Pietersen
Flintoff
Collingwood

Alas.. with Vaughan and Strauss taking the other two slots... the opportunities to look at others are few and far between... and with the likes of Bell, Shah, Prior and Joyce waiting in the wings... that's surely a bit of a problem.

Roll on one great chance to see how other batsmen can contribute!

[Trescothick]

I seriously think that we should be looking at Solanki as an opener wih Trescothick again, this warm-up match is a perfect time to test it out once more and if it works, we go with it in the ODIs... Either that or at No 3...

I would like to see:

Tresco
Solanki
Strauss
Collingwood
Pietersen
Flintoff
Jones

Too me thats a good line-up... A quick scoring one defiently...

[Teatime FatCat]

This to me is no great blow as I don't feel he is an international standard one-day batter. I only wish that Owais Shah was fit enough to take advantage.

[Notts Exile]

I like Trescothick's line up, only I would make one alteration: swapping KP and Collingwood. KP should get to the crease as soon as possible in order to cause as much mayhem as possible. Collingwood could end up down at six if England are doing well so as to get Freddie in at five to carry on the damage.

As already suggested, Vaughan's loss is a positive for England. He has no place in this side, he has rarely justified his place. Ed Joyce and Owais Shah ought to be in the queue ahead of him.

[Oliver]

With you all the way NE. Vaughan's woeful fielding has never really helped the cause much either.

And if he's to stop playing in his mindless slasher mode, then the sooner he retires from ODI cricket the better.

In many ways I think it's a shame that Strauss plays ODIs. I do think there is something to be said for allowing your best grinders to only play cricket where grinding is extremely useful.

Asking international players to specifically change their game seems slightly unfair.

Whatever happened to the old: "horses for courses" maxim for picking players. You'd pick a swing bowler at a venue where it swings, you'd pick a bunch of spinners where you think it'll turn, and you pick a whole bunch of quicks on your fastest greenest pitch.

Why on earth can't we pick our three Boycotts to only EVER play Test cricket, and all our mad slashers to play ODI cricket?

Now obviously I'm not including Vaughan here; but that's because he has been slashing so madly since he came back from Australia, that I think he could do with a rest. Sit back a bit, and watch from a distance of several thousand miles. And forget playing in the World Cup. We'd like some better fielders in that tournament.

[greg]

Happy he is ruled out.Get his knee sorted once and for all.Not as though we will miss a player with a naff average in the 20's is it,especially when he is not a great fielder.

[Victor Frankenstein]

Not sure Bell is the right person to replace Vaughan in the side, I'm a big fan of Bell and i know he's had some good odi scores but he's more of a grinder and rarely has a high strike rate so i feel that by forcing him to push on he'll just get a load of low scores and undo all the confidence he's built up in the test series just as he heads for india where we'll need him on top form... great :/ Could be wrong though, maybe he'll come out and score plenty and build the confidence even more, ready to break the world record score in the first test in india, we can but dream eh

After watching the all new improved owais shah against hampshire earlier in the year i'd love to see him have a full go in the odi side, I feel he's got what KP and Freddy lack, a brain to go with the big hits, he gets in first, checks out the bowlers and the pitch, then out come the four sixes in an over, even us hampshire fans were cheering him on (could have been a one off mind, but i've heard from others it's quite a regular thing for him). Shame he's injured at the moment, maybe he'll be back for the indian odi's.

[Notts Exile]

Originally Posted by Victor Frankenstein

I feel he's got what KP and Freddy lack, a brain to go with the big hits, he gets in first, checks out the bowlers and the pitch, then out come the four sixes in an over,

Anyone recall KP's knock at Bristol against the Aussies? Didn't exactly score quickly to start with, he played the game the way it needs to be played, exactly the same as his hundreds in South Africa.