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Old 25-04-2008, 09:11 PM in reply to batoutofhell's post starting "Harbhajan is an over hyped product of..."
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I dont think harbhajan is over hyped at all, i think what gives you this impression is that he isnt a big spinner of the ball as much some of the other off spinners. But in test cricket, I think he is one of the most intelligent spinners in the world today. He knows the art of getting in batsmans head. I would rather say that he is under rated. And his stats dont reflect at all his ability.
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Old 26-04-2008, 03:19 AM in reply to wilyoldfox's post starting "I dont think harbhajan is over hyped at..."
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Sreesanth is the victim here, I don't think he has got any case to answer.

And although he is aggressive on the feild, a lot of the Australian players still had a respect for him, as he was only playing aggressive and what happens on the feild stays on the feild with him.

Harbahjan is a different story, the Australian players angle was that he shoots his mouth off without thinking or caring to much about what he says, then quickly gets apologetic about what he said.

And keeps on doing it.

Spoilt child syndrome at its worst.

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Old 26-04-2008, 03:39 AM in reply to acker's post starting "Sreesanth is the victim here, I don't..."
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I think a big cause of this sort of view about harbhajan by australian people is a result of he australian media who i believe had a press attack at him this australian summer. This incident would make the conditon even worse.
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Old 26-04-2008, 04:26 AM in reply to wilyoldfox's post starting "I think a big cause of this sort of..."
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These kinds of incidents never going to help indian team
every one knows what happened in windies (during world cup) between sreesanth and zaheer khan(the later slapped sreesanth for some petty squabble in dressing room)
and also not to forget the incidents during challeneger trophy last year(between bhaji and sree)
they are the negative forces in the team
if they can back their so called AGGRESSION? with consistent performance on the field then no one(including cynic like me) will question their place in the team

(Of late even part time spinner like sehwag is bowling much better wicket taking deliveries in a inning than the combination of bhaji and sree)
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Old 26-04-2008, 04:55 AM in reply to wilyoldfox's post starting "I dont think harbhajan is over hyped at..."
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I dont think harbhajan is over hyped at all, i think what gives you this impression is that he isnt a big spinner of the ball as much some of the other off spinners. But in test cricket, I think he is one of the most intelligent spinners in the world today. He knows the art of getting in batsmans head. I would rather say that he is under rated. And his stats dont reflect at all his ability.
Well, I think one of the most important traits of a very good player is the ability to suceed overseas, and Harbhajan's away average is 41. So I don't reagrd him as being anything more than a good Test bowler.
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Well in the current era's batting pitches tell me a spinnler expect murli and warne who has a better average than that. Another part of the cause is that when your frontline seamers dont pick wickets, its very hard for the spinners to bowl when. Indian seamers have always performed badly, and harbhajan always comes into bowl with the opposition at 150-1. It was quite different for warne who mostly came into bowl, with the opposition already in trouble. Stats alone dont tell you a lot of truth.
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Old 26-04-2008, 07:34 AM in reply to batoutofhell's post starting "i guess u r understanding of AGGRESSION..."
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i guess u r understanding of AGGRESSION different from mine
for me its just STUPID CHILDISH way of act by these two guys(even prior to this incident we have witnessed many churlish acts by the same duo on different occassion)
In fairness, Harbhajan appears increasingly incapable of the basic self-control that is the mark of a child who has advanced beyond infancy, let alone of an adult: he comes across as a delinquent toddler and the sooner he's given an extensive break from top level cricket to concentrate on growing up the better.
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Well in the current era's batting pitches tell me a spinnler expect murli and warne who has a better average than that.
Stuart MacGill 29, Dan Vettori 33, Anil Kumble 35, Danish Kaneria 36. An away average of 41 for a front-line bowler is disgraceful, even on today's pitches- but not nearly so bad as the away average of that so-called great bowler, Abdul Qadir (47).

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Indian seamers have always performed badly, and harbhajan always comes into bowl with the opposition at 150-1. It was quite different for warne who mostly came into bowl, with the opposition already in trouble. Stats alone dont tell you a lot of truth.
Apart from MacGill, all of the other bowlers have faced the same problem. Kumble's done a better job over a longer period of time (in fact, I think his away average over the last 30 games is an exceptional 31), and Kaneria and Vettori have had to shoulder more of the bowling than they should when Shoiab and Bond have been unavailable, which has been a helluva lot.

As for Indian seamers "always performing badly," that didn't really apply in the recent Aus-Ind series when Zaheer, RP and Sharma repeatedly made the early breakthroughs- and even then Harbhajan struggled, and not always on difficult pitches.
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Ah well, it will all die down in a few days. Bit of an over reaction from the media (whats new), but at the end of the day, this should never have happened.

He will get a deserved punishment, they should make up and that will be that i guess. Hope it doesnt disrupt the national side, im a big fan of Sreesanth and dont mind Harb, although the latter needs a firm talking to.
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Old 26-04-2008, 01:21 PM in reply to Navdeep's post starting "Ah well, it will all die down in a few..."
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He will be committing armed hold ups on banks if some one does not punish him soon.

But before it gets to that stage it will disrupt the national side, some Indian players will side with Sreesanth over this.

Harby is running out of freinds. Even in India.

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