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Old 30-05-2008, 09:02 PM
Rachael Rachael is offline
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Time for Miller to go...

OK.. with one quibble, I'm perfectly happy with Miller on the Test cricket front. I'm happy with the batting and the bowling... and have had issues only with the absurd neglect of the three strongest candidates for the gloves: Read, Foster and Mustard.

I was prepared to give Miller time to see the error of his ways in picking the comparatively iron-gloved Ambrose as a Test gloveman... as it was at least a step in the right direction after the execrable Prior (perhaps the least excusable England selection ever).

The latest development is a step too far though: despite Mustard proving orders of magnitude better than Ambrose as a gloveman... the former Sussex man has been called up for the ODI series. See Cricinfo - Ambrose replaces Mustard in one-day squad

How's this for nonsense, spoken of a guy whose glovework has not been any better than Geraint Jones used to manage:
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Tim Ambrose has already shown that he has the temperament and the ability required to succeed in Test cricket and his selection reflects our desire to use the same wicket-keeper in both the long and short forms of the game
The abuse of glovemen in the Miller era is starting to shape up almost as badly as it did in the Graveney era

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Old 31-05-2008, 12:03 AM in reply to Rachael's post "Time for Miller to go..."
Scott-Wozniak Scott-Wozniak is offline
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... and have had issues only with the absurd neglect of the three strongest candidates for the gloves: Read, Foster and Mustard.
I would tend to agree with you, but for different reasons. Miller should have gone with Graveney (who was well overdue to go) and Fletcher. I see no logic at all in keeping one of the selectors from that era. The Ashes debacle was just as much Millers responsiblity as it was Graveneys and Fletchers, they were ALL selectors for that tour.

With regards to Read, I think his ship has well and truly sailed, I honestly cannot ever see him playing for England again, particularly after what I read about him in Fletchers autobiography 'Behind the Shades'. A book I'm sure you'd thoroughly enjoy despite your dislike of him. And not because of his terrible batting technique either, if that wasn't reason enough.

According to Fletcher, Read plays within a 'narrow fielding span'. Something that Jack Russell picked up on and offered his services to remedy. He couldn't understand why, after Read came back into the side, Trescothick, who previously had a pretty good pair of hands at first slip suddenly started dropping catches. On analysis, it transpired that Read simply wasn't going for balls that went inbetween himself and Trescothick, with Trescothick going for them when really Read should have been.

Read himself confirmed this one day, when he was overheard muttering under his breath at seeing a replay of one of 'those' drops on the laptop saying '**** that was mine'. No wonder he had such an excellent 'chance to drop' ratio if he only went for the balls he knew he could take comfortably. Add in his 'apparent' unwillingness to even try new coaching methods to help improve his game and his relative 'quietness' behind the stumps, and it's really not that hard to see why he wasn't a good choice as England keeper. Even Brian Lara apparently didn't think much of him as a keeper either.

So there you go.

Foster? Please. Haven't we moved on from him yet? Anyway, his batting's gone to hell in a hand basket in recent times, so I think you can forget about him as well.

Mustard I think perhaps should have been given more opportunity than he has, because I don't see Ambrose as being the solution to Englands keeper problems.

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as it was at least a step in the right direction after the execrable Prior (perhaps the least excusable England selection ever).
I think you better get used to Priors selection because I think he will ultimately be the England long term keeper selection, although I certainly agreed his glovework needed improving.

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How's this for nonsense, spoken of a guy whose glovework has not been any better than Geraint Jones used to manage
I certainly agree that Millers talking out of his backside there. But I don't agree that Jones' glovework was as bad as you and many others make out. His glovework improved measurably and towards the end was actually pretty good - it was his batting that let him down in the end ironically not his glovework.
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Old 31-05-2008, 09:22 AM in reply to Rachael's post "Time for Miller to go..."
Aurelius Aurelius is offline
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I also think that Mustard's the better 'keeper, however I don't think Ambrose is doing such a bad job. He's looked pretty solid (if unspectacular) when I've seen him.

Still, I think dropping Mustad from the ODI side is a mistake. He's probably the only batsman who can get England off to a flier, and if Andrew Strauss hadn't had a good run of form recently, he probably wouldn't have been dropped.

So I predict a line-up that looks somewhat like this:

Cook
Strauss
Bell
Pietersen
Collingwood
Ambrose
Mascheranhas/Wright
Swann
Broad
Sidebottom
Anderson

Unless Jones come back into the reckoning, in which case I dare say Swann's place comes under threat.

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