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View Poll Results: Who will win the 2nd ODI between India and England?
India 4 40.00%
England 6 60.00%
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Old 31-03-2006, 12:16 PM in reply to Richie Benauds Love Child's post starting "What a surprise. we lost, because, and..."
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What a surprise. we lost, because, and this will you really shock you, we didnt score enough runs !
Nothing whatsoever to misjudging the pitch, failing to select enough slow bowlers, spilling chances and in one case (Anderson) bowling diabolically?
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Old 31-03-2006, 12:19 PM in reply to Rachael's post starting "Nothing whatsoever to misjudging the..."
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England lost because they got the team wrong.You didn't need all those seamers on that pitch.An extra spinner and England may have won.
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Old 31-03-2006, 12:44 PM in reply to greg's post starting "England lost because they got the team..."
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We lost because 1: we didn't score enough runs, 2: we picked two wicketkeepers again, 3: we didn't pick a second spinner and 4: Kabir Ali and Jimmy Anderson bowled rubbish!

We can blame Fletcher for two of them. He still hasn't got a clue, hasn't had for years and doesn't appear to be learning. I wonder how he can do such a good job with the Test side yet make our ODI team look so stupid?
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Old 31-03-2006, 02:49 PM in reply to Notts Exile's post starting "We lost because 1: we didn't score..."
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The younger seamers were very poor IMO. Also we gave away something like 16 wides! Far too much for a close game.

When is Fletcher going to learn that playing two keepers is pointless, clearly Prior is the one making more runs to just bring in another bat (Bell) and give us some strength there.

Raina batted very well to win the game for India, he deserves a fairly decent level of credit, it wasn't just England's poor batting and bowling.

Owais Shah, two games few if any runs from my memory, should he be out?
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Old 31-03-2006, 04:13 PM in reply to Vrock's post starting "The younger seamers were very poor IMO...."
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dropping him after two games would be daft, he was wrongly given out in this game so he's only had one bad innings so far, he needs to be given a fair run in the side before he's judged, certainly a couple of series here and at home.

Raina did bat very well and deserves a lot of credit among the criticism of england's bowling. A shame that anderson and ali had a bad day of it, just have to put it down to experience on an unhelpful pitch. good bowling by blackwell, just need to see a big improvement in his batting now.
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Old 31-03-2006, 04:20 PM in reply to Victor Frankenstein's post starting "dropping him after two games would be..."
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. good bowling by blackwell, just need to see a big improvement in his batting now.
Yes he's been quietly going about taking the odd wicket for not alot of runs in the first 2 ODIs. As you said earlier though, shame about his batting. You do get the impression though that at some point, probably a dead rubber, the he will absolutey murder someone.
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Old 31-03-2006, 04:40 PM in reply to Richie Benauds Love Child's post starting "Yes he's been quietly going about..."
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Forgive me for missing the reason if there was one, but:

Anderson 10 overs for 60 runs, 1 wicket.
Plunkett (Who was "going to get knocked about a bit) 9 overs for 29 runs and 3 maidens, 1 wicket.

Why didn't Plunkett get to bowl ahead of Anderson late on? He could have prolonged it to the last over and made India sweat, given the match performances.

Anyway, that's a minor gripe, the major one is why on Earth Owais Shah was selected ahead of Ian Bell at three when we need a steady ODI player there who can prevent a collapse. Bell has shown he can do this.
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Old 31-03-2006, 06:41 PM in reply to Collyisamackem's post starting "Forgive me for missing the reason if..."
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Plunker has put in a good performance when he has need to, but I think what we can say from the ODI series from England that not only are the batsmen inconsisten beyond belief but we do have a problem that the young bowlers are performing well one game and going for runs the next.

I think England should swap either GO/Prior for Bell. I don't care too much as to who but we only need on keeper!
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well this is really shattering... England has india on the ropes today when those 5.. I say FIVE wickets fell in quick succession and then dhoni and suresh raina just took the match away.. excellent batting from both of them... Dhoni i guess having learned to curb his natural game a little when the moment requires it.. KP played really well so did strauss.. and England just had to kill it to finish it off but they couldnt.. i wonder why so many england fans here keep reffering to ODI's as the pyjama game.. and then get all riled up when they lose to say india or pakistan... just because you aint good at it doesnt mean its not important to cricket.. India should be given all credit.. they were after all 5 down for 93 and had the guts to fight and climb out of that hole... why because they have a keeper that can bat... and batsmen who believe in themselves.. the same english players perform differently in tests then look rubbish in the ODIs.. if the ODIs aint that important... then England shouldnt schedule so many ODI series... because frankly they are quite a talented bunch of folks making a mockery out of themselves by playing like this.
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Old 31-03-2006, 10:31 PM in reply to Rachael's post starting "Maybe you should pay more attention to..."
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Maybe you should pay more attention to the vast majority of his innings rather than to his eventual demise:

KP Pietersen 40* (68b 1x4)

The guy was moving the ball around very nicely, finding the gaps and showing what good hands he has got!

When hr did eventually open his shoulders he was not taking undue risks... and was generally playing shots oppropriate to the deliveries faced (including a notable reverse sweep): the eventual dismissal looked lame.... but was lamentable in that it was pretty much he first poor shot!
With all due respect to your opinions rachael.. perhaps you should consider the fact that he had done a lot of really good work playing himself in and has the skill to carry on through till the end... hitting a six is great.. but then trying to go for it again the very next ball?? how much sense does that make.. he needed to stay there.. and could have contributed the extra 20 30 in the end which would have made the target a wee bit tougher for india... he is a great batsmen.. but in IMO he pulls an afridi just too often.. look at Dhoni he put his head down today and did it for the team... (by the way pulling an afridi to us pakistanis means having the belief that you can hit every single ball out of the stadium) which is insane. And the dismissal didnt look lame it WAS LAME!
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