India vs England, Official Fourth ODI Match Thread

[Notts Exile]

I wonder what sort of side Fletcher will put out here. He's been telling the press that we cannot expect to win with such a young and inexperienced side. Maybe if we did win a match or two he would have to change the record. Oh, and has anyone looked at how experienced some of these Indians are? Raina is 19, we've had Munaf Patel, Sreesanth and now Uthappa playing. He's got nothing to moan about. We, the England supporters, have and it's him. I suspect the pitch will turn but Batty won't play, and if he does it will be at the expense of Blackwell!

Where does anyone get the idea that Vaughan would be helping matters? The guys ODI record is nothing short of appalling. And Simon Jones has hardly played any ODI cricket so is hardly a banker. Giles would only play at the expense of Blackwell and bowling wise the Somerset man's hardly been our problem.

No doubt in my mind, another Indian victory, probably on their way to seven of them.

[greg]

Originally Posted by Notts Exile

No doubt in my mind, another Indian victory, probably on their way to seven of them.

Only probably?

I would be amazed if England stop the whitewash.

[Notts Exile]

Originally Posted by greg

I would be amazed if England stop the whitewash.

It's down to KP or Freddie. If one of those two can bat amazingly we may manage to win a game.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Notts Exile

No doubt in my mind, another Indian victory, probably on their way to seven of them.

I'm afraid I agree even though it is only Micky Mouse cricket, but the serior members will be tarred going down with this farcial od day cricket ship.

I would say this one day series has done Flintoffs chances as becoming Englands Test captain- er- never.

[Crunchy]

I would say this one day series has done Flintoffs chances as becoming Englands Test captain- er- never.

Why?. I think any captain would be in big trouble with the team he's had to lead.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Crunchy

Why?. I think any captain would be in big trouble with the team he's had to lead.

I agree Crunchy, however i think you might agree, the selectors might not look at it that way, they maight for instance blame an "inexperienced captain", in other words use Flintoff as a scapegoat.

But he did not tag 7 ODI matches on after the hardious Test matches, that was forward planning at it's worst.

[Vrock]

Leading a side where your bowlers are going for runs and the only quicker bowler you can rely upon at the death is yourself is not great for the bowling side of things.

With the batting destructing itself every game I'm not surprised that we haven't won a game and I doubt Vaughan would have done any better.

KP has just been okayed for the game so that is a major boost for England.

[Ernest]

The England batting has not been all that good in Test cricket, and even worse in one day cricket, I think the only hope is for England to shock, and open the batting with pinch hitters.

Blackwell
Pieterson (worth a try)
Shah.
Read (jones out).
Flintoff.
Colllingwood.
Anderson.
Bell
Hoggard
Solanki
Mahmood

It will either shock the Indians, or a couple will be injured rolling over laughing, but one thing for sure this line up could do no worse.

[Rob.]

I can't help but feel people are over exagerating the loss of the players we are missing, and how different it would of been if they were there. I would expect us to lose this series even with a fully fit squad.

Players Missing

• Vaughan - Appalling one day batting record. Burden on the team. No captain is good enough to make up for such a poor record for a top order batsman. I maintain by belief England are better without him in ODI's and still hope he doesn't play another one for us.
• Trescothick - Since when has Trescothick ever finished a tour with a bang of late? The end of tours ODIs are always Trescothick's que to fall apart as his attentions start turning to home. Doubt he would of done much, to be honest.
• Harmison - Got clattered in the Pakistan ODIs, was very poor. Don't think he would of done anything to write home about on these wickets.
• Giles - Wouldn't of done much more than Blackwell with the ball, even not as well. Could, though, of offered us some lower order steal which we don't have much of at present.
• Simon Jones - Hardely played any ODI's. As someone said earlier, he isn't a banker, and I seem to remember him takiing some serious tap at times for England in the summer and wasn't convincing.

Fully fit, together, settled and in unity England may of put in a slightly better show, we all know they have potential as a one day side. But, sadly, fact is, England have been and still are an inconsistent disaster / **** up waiting to happen in this format.

[Vrock]

Pietersen opening I have always pondered in that he could easily get a double hundred if there for 30 overs. He clearly has the ability to hit the ball and why not give him a reason to go over the top when the field is in and the ball is hard.
Mahmood...no...just absolutely useless, he looks shattered after five overs. Not good when he should be bowling 10. I'd have Kabir Ali back in with Jimmy.