Really I think it's time England sacked Fletcher from the one day game, his record really is appalling.

Today England are playing Australia, can the World #8 really be expected to beat the World #1?.

What if players like Harmison - Flintoff - and more so the younger players take their lack of confidence into the Test side?.

I will create a poll with ex England players with the 'Bulldog' spirit to improve England's one day performances, and to be able to pick a specialist England one day side.

I think there is support from ex international players for removing Fletcher from his one day duties.

Does anyone agree?.

Looking at the problem from Fletcher's angle - he is trying to prepare England for the Ashes, with one eye also on the World Cup not long after the Ashes finish.

This point was taken on the BBC earlier today, can Fletcher turn England's one day fortunes round?, does he care?.

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Ern

Someone pointed out that this England vs. Australia match involved a side with around 400 caps (and Flintoff and Collingwood counted for around 200) against a side with 1400 caps. This side has ODI novices by the bucketful... and to be honest the signs are pretty good: Bell looks great, Strauss is doing OK, we know Pietersen is a class act, Collingwood is superb, Dalrymple and Yardy have got off to a decent start, and the odd dodgy over aside, the seamers look to be competent.

Add in Flintoff's bowling, Tresco returning at the top of the order, Vaughan's captaincy, Blackwell's miserly slower bowling, Giles' versatility and the likes of Lewis, Simon Jones, Plunkett and so on... and Fletcher's crew looks well placed for the World Cup.

Rachael - England are 8th in the ODI Championship. Here

Players rankings Here .

England are a disaster, OK I am not keen on ODI's but I have said before England could well bring these losing habits into Test Cricket - there has been evidence of this when England played Pakistan both away from home, and in England this year.

Fletcher's first job is to get the England side ready for the Ashes.

I must say from your list below, there would be a start for a new England one day manager.

Simon Jones will I doubt ever bowl again, and if he does it would be folly to allow him to play in PJ cricket.

I do agree with you on this point.

Lewis - Plunkett - Dalrymple and others, would be a good start for a future independent one day side.

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Ern

I think no because he has helped us win the ashes but yes for the form in the Odi's

Hi Lee - Welcome,

You have given us a double edged answer there, can you tell us which of your instincts will win.

Being you agree Fletcher has worked wonders with the Test side, would you not agree that he should be spared this one day cricket - so he can go on and plan the Ashes, and take his Test players with him

There are lots of fringe players who would probably do better in a new England one day set up, and would be hungry to show off their talents.

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The difference is that in the Ashes... Fletcher had a first XI in the first four matches and was only missing one player (Simon Jones) for the final Test. If you recall, Fletcher's full strength ODI side also tied the Natwest Series final prior to the Ashes having also dismissed Australia comparatively cheaply in the curtailed d/n match... and then stomped on the Aussies in the first Natwest Challenge game.

Since then England's ODI 'B' side have recorded some notable victories: see here (including the first ODI in Pakistan where they posted and defended, 327/4, the 5th ODI in Pakistan where they defended 206). They have also batted very well in other matches, as here (a list that includes a match against Sri Lanka where the batsman posted a seemingly untouchable 321 and then saw Bresnan and Ali, those well known stalwart's of Fletcher's ODI side, concede 100+ runs off 8 overs).

Right now, the first choice XI for ODI might read as follows (player in bold are those currently playing in their full capacity):

Tresco (missing, 123 ODIs)
Vaughan (missing, 74 ODIs)
Bell (in great form but just 25 ODIs)
Pietersen (top 10 ODI batsman, just 40 ODIs)
Strauss (doing OK, 63 ODIs)
Flintoff (Not bowling, out of form, 104 ODIs)
Collingwood (doing fine, 102 ODIs)
Read (doing OK, just 35 ODIs)
Blackwell (missing, just 34 ODIs)
S. Jones (missing, comparative novice - 8 ODIs)
Anderson (doing well, 52 ODIs)

The fringe players

Solanki (51 ODIs)
G O Jones (out of form, 49 ODIs)
Giles (missing, 62 ODIs)
Harmison (46 ODIs)

On the fringes lie a further crew, all of whom are comparative ODI novices: Cook (2 ODIs), Shah (18 ODIs), Dalrymple (looking good, 13 ODIs), Yardy (4 ODIs), Joyce (3 ODIs), Plunkett (16 ODIs), Lewis (7 ODIs), Mahmood (14 ODIs), Broad (5 ODIs).

ps. If you at England's performances since the Ashes... the ODI wins at home againsta full strength Pakistan ODI side are amongst the highlights: it has been the Test side that has looked ropey, struggling on tour in Pakistan and India and then batting and bowling diabolically against Sri Lanka and against the bowler-less Pakistan 'B' team.

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Originally Posted by Ernest Hi Lee - Welcome,

I think no mainly because we are still a force to deal with in Test cricket, Like you siad Rachel the test team has been a bit ropey but i think we batted pretty well against Pakistan, also lets hope some big performances are put in against australia, ive got a bet we win...


Oh yes! Ernest you support the mighty lancs like me! Good choice!

Maybe they could give the one day coaching job to the person who they think will eventually take over from Fletcher whoever that may be.At least then they will be aware of the set up and what is required.

Don't really know who it should be though as the main candidates wouldn't want to leave their counties for only half a job.

Give it to someone who has a history of innovation and performance in the OD game. Maybe think assistant coaches -

Stuart Law
Andy Flower
Daffy DeFreitas
Angus Fraser
Neil Fairbrother
Adam Hollioake
Robert Croft
Dougie Brown
Alistair Brown
Graeme Hick
David Houghton
Wasim Akram
Graham Gooch
John Embury

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I'll have the Mouseburger please, with a side of Goldfish.

Now then TTFC let's have Emburey and Gooch nowhere near this England set up! Wasim Akram I wouldn't ever consider as we know what he thinks of us. Flower and Houghton I like. Mike Watkinson was always innovative and has been involved, I wonder how much? Dermot Reeve's a bit of a muppet but he had some very good ideas, including throwing your bat at point when leaving the ball