Commonwealth Bank Series 6th Match: England v New Zealand at Adelaide, Jan 23, 2007 - Page 6 - World A-Team Cricket Forum

Ernest · 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by adamberry

He's only played three times against Australia in ODI's! Give him at least 10 before you can reasonably judge him![...]As for the "in any form of cricket" phrase - I disagree again.

I can see you point adam about the three games maybe should have been 10, so with that in mind I have checked Ian Bell's stat's - and filtered his (10) matches against Australia in Test cricket.

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Mat  Runs  HS   BatAv 100  50   W    BB  BowlAv 5w  Ct St

unfiltered            23  1618 162*  43.72   5  11   1  1/33   76.00  0  23  0
filtered              10   502  87   25.10   0   6   0   -       -    0  13  0

So if we add his average of 22.6 in one day cricket, and add that to his average over 10 matches in "all forms" of cricket - against Australia he still only averages about 24 in all.
I am not saying Bell is rubbish adam, just that he seems more suited to playing against teams like India or Pakistan, so he obviously has a future as an England player.
I myself would not take him on a tour of Australia .

Quagmire

Well there are not many cricketers who do as well or better against Australia compared to the rest of the world.

Dravid - ave 57.33, vs Aus 48.48
Yousuf - ave 56.10, vs Aus 29.60
Ul-Haq - ave 50.48, vs Aus 31.40
Kallis - ave 55.30, vs Aus 38.32
Sangakkara - ave 50.64, vs Aus 25.40
Jayasuriya - ave 40.42, vs Aus 32.88
Jayawardene - ave 48.37 vs Aus 29.57

Lara and Tendulkar only drop one run each on the average compared to there average against Australia.

Trescothick

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Originally Posted by Rachael

Ps. Take a look at the players England had HOPED to take to the World Cup whose services have either been interrupted or rather unexpectedly terminated:

1. Tresco,
2. Solanki,
3. Vaughan,
4. Pietersen,
5. Flintoff,
6. Geraint Jones,
7. Blackwell,
8. Giles,
9. Gough,
10. Simon Jones
11. Harmison

Rightly or wrongly, these players were looking (as recently as the notable ODI successes of 2005) like a core group who'd ALL have stacks of experience and massive amounts of time together as a unit in the build up to the World Cup: the planning was all in place... but the luck has NOT been there.

This is the team that Fletcher had 10 of the 11 players already picked and yes this would be a serious force in the world cup no doubt.. Its unfortunate how its all turned out! The current team looks miserable and only Collingwood, maybe Strauss and Anderson deserve to be put in... I'm selecting Strauss merely because hes is a world class batsmen and will be useful for the world cup

greg

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Originally Posted by Quagmire

Well there are not many cricketers who do as well or better against Australia compared to the rest of the world.

You missed off KP career average of 49.69 but against Australia it is 53.5

Teatime FatCat

Ern, your figures for Stauss in ODI'd aren't bad in my book - nearly 35 and two tons, plus 13 50's. I think he's a good player in a bad trot. In fact he was Englands best batsmen pretty much from when he came into the team in tests, and has been better than most in ODI's.

Thre may be a few short memories flying about here.

Ernest · 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Teatime FatCat

Ern, your figures for Stauss in ODI'd aren't bad in my book - nearly 35 and two tons, plus 13 50's. I think he's a good player in a bad trot.

It just showed the few matches that he has played against Australia aren't impressive, but that aside he seems to have suffered since Trescothick went home, he has not took to opening the batting with novices such as Cook and Loye, I wonder just how much his confidence has been dented.

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Originally Posted by Teatime FatCat

There may be a few short memories flying about here.

I don't doubt that for a moment TT, but if we are to look at Strauss in the larger picture, then fair enough - but look what flak Flintoff has took on the board, people sacking him as captain after only 11 matches, and in the one dayers Vaughan did no better.

Also we have to look at Bell, he has now had two bad series against Australia, yet plays well against Pakistan India and teams like that.

I don't doubt Strauss has been good, but in all honesty both he and Cook have not given the lower order batsmen a chance not putting decent opening partnerships together, I hope he regains his form in time for the World Cup - but he has took a battering, all the England side have.

darksideofthemoon

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Originally Posted by Trescothick

This is the team that Fletcher had 10 of the 11 players already picked and yes this would be a serious force in the world cup no doubt.. Its unfortunate how its all turned out! The current team looks miserable and only Collingwood, maybe Strauss and Anderson deserve to be put in... I'm selecting Strauss merely because hes is a world class batsmen and will be useful for the world cup

Well according to Graveney he said the team they wanted for the WC would be the same team that tied the match at Lords in 2005.

1. Trescothick - injured
2. Strauss
3. Vaughan - injured
4. Pietersen - injured
5. Collingwood
6. Flintoff
7. Jones - out of form
8. Giles - not match fit and personal troubles
9. SJones - injured
10 Gough - wanted to go with younger bowlers
11 Harmison - retired

A lot of time has passed since then. Only Strauss, Collingwood and Flintoff are still standing.

Rachael

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Originally Posted by Fletcher

We are under a little bit of pressure leading up to that World Cup, there's no doubt about it. But it could turn around - if we got Pietersen and Vaughan back in the side, that could make a huge difference [...] A year and a half ago, we really felt confident with a side which had taken two years to build. In 2005, we were heading in the right direction to put up a very good performance at the World Cup [...] Suddenly we were losing these players and having to try and build the side up in a very short period of time [...]

To compound that, our senior players, the Strausses and Collingwoods, have lost a bit of confidence and form [...]

If I do get frustrated, it's because I want to introduce more and more ideas but you've just got to say to yourself, 'Relax, they're young, they're inexperienced, you've got to build their confidence up slowly before we make any major changes' [...] To get that balance is difficult because there are areas you realise they have to work on to take their game forward, but because if you make some changes and they lose form, they start to ask whether it's the idea that's wrong or their cricket [...] When you want to introduce something new, new ways to do things, new strategies, new shots you want them to play, you've got to be very careful when you do it

See http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cric...nd/6293573.stm

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