Couple of open questions here what is the best word or short phrase to identify Englands latest one day masacre?

Pitifull?
Embarresing?
Humiliating?
Pathetic?

Any more ideas?

Also given the recent performances of the England one day team, I don't think team is a fiting collective noun for them any longer. Any ideas on what the collective noun shoud be?

A shower of England one day players?
A joke of England one day internationals?

Give me some ideas guys and girls, if I don't laugh at this I may start crying, and you wouldn't want to see a grown man cry now would you?

The way England's going now,I'd describe them with all those words and maybe add a few words as well.

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Karthik Venkatesan

Vying with Zimbabwe to be the least funny joke in world cricket, what a state of affairs.

How about "promising"? Sure, Strauss and Collingwood have lost form... but we knew that before this game and form can come back as quickly as it goes if a player can just be given a break... but Bell apparently played beautifully.. and with Bell and Joyce at the crease and the score at 70/2 off 15 overs the game was off to an excellent start.

Flintoff's been in good nick lately, DAlrymple was out to a superb delivery and none of the others who batted are any more than fringe players anyway! Flintoff then returned 3-1-4-0... Tremlett did even better, doing enough to nail his place in the WI... Dalrymple did no wrong.. and Panesar showed that he should also be in the final squad.

So what if Loye, Nixon and Plunkett bombed: they are ODI novices who probably shouldn't be in Australia anyway!

zim have a pretty valid reason for playing badly, whats englands excuse?

Members of the England team expressed their concerns about how long the Winter schedule was including the World Cup before they left England for the ICC Champions Trophy. Perhaps some players are keeping something in reserve for the WC while others are being outplayed. Did it help Roddick that he played his best tennis before meeting Federer while Federer held back his best in the early rounds of the Australian Open? When they met Federer lifted his game to annihilate Roddick in similar manner to Australia's annihilation of England in the cricket.

The problem is we keep turning promising starts into terrible collapses! You would have thought by now the players would have learned their lesson, but no just one shambles after another.

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Mark.

How about playing to form?

We aren't ranked 8th in ODI's for nothing you know.

The MAIN failure that happened in Australia is getting beat 5-0 in the Ashes.

I wonder why ANYONE is surprised England are getting thrashed in this one day series - it's just par for the course, England are a poor#8 in the world with only Bangladesh and Zimbawe below them.

Even in 2004 when England were at thier hight in Test cricket - in ODI's they could not even beat the West Indies, so no surprise they do so bad in Australia.

England could do well in the world cup - IF they stopped playing the terrible Test players that are supposed to be Englands 'BEST PLAYERS' and scour the counties for the best one day players arround, this team has had it, besides not being able to play the game, they have no confidence.

The players should not be critisised, this result was obvious from the squad England took to Australia, it's the selectors fault - they picked what they considered to br the best England squad.

Look back to the success of Lancashre and Kent in one day cricket in the early days - and they had specialist one day players.

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Ern

Your analogy doesn't work because, even if Federer was still holding something in reserve, he was still winning his group matches etc. The only thing England can win at the moment is the toss.

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